Has anyone else noticed "This position requires office presence of a minimum of 5 days per week and is only located in the location(s) posted. No relocation is offered." is no longer listed on some of the job listings for non-hub locations? Was there a recent change on the RTO policy?
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ok so when there is an after hours or weekend outage, will RTO 8-5 still be the standard, especially for those people on the service side of the business? Here is a great motivator... "Mandatory 8am-5pm IN THE OFFICE, and if there is a prolonged outage after hours or on weekends, you as a good employee should gladly work those NON PAID HOURS from home, vacation, etc.. but be DAMNED if you don't do the 40 in the office, doesn't matter if you pushed a 30 hour remediation call Friday afternoon through Saturday.. its So F...g What?? just be in the office 40 hours you less than slave nitwit.. "
“Wow. 😮 6 months later and everyone still crying on here.”
…and you’re still bobbin’ C suite kn0bs.
So what affect does shoving all employees in working spaces even smaller than cubicles do for hiring?
If I walked into an interview and saw people working in conditions here, I would have decided before my first talk that this wasn't the place I wanted to be.
Unless your a VP or higher in CSO and then they simply designate where you live as a hub.
HR here.
The strict 5x8 with heavy monitoring along with the extremely negative reviews from employees is having a drastic effect on hiring.
We're hiring? Hahahahaha. Why would anyone want to come here?
"Been working at AT&T for a long time - only thing consistent is their steady march of making it a cr-ppier and cr-ppier place to work."
And yet you stay.
Been working at AT&T for a long time - only thing consistent is their steady march of making it a cr-ppier and cr-ppier place to work. Also send you to classes on how to be a great leader but no one practices any of that or promotes those that do demonstrate those things...complete BS lip service. Most employees are just waiting to be canned cause it feels like that's coming all the time - kinda Biblical waiting for the rapture.
Take your severance, wait 6 months, then hire on with Accenture where you can work from home. CEO doesn’t demand our outsourcing companies to be 5x8, no collaboration is needed.
“Outside of telecom most companies are hybrid (2-3 days) in an office.”
It’s inside of telecom too. Verizon is 3 days in office and they have been recruiting T employees with that pitch. Companies like T, Chase and Amazon with egomaniac (though in the case of the latter two more successful) CEOs are the ones pushing 5 days and employees hate it as much as we do. See a pattern here?
Just went on LinkedIn and every job still has this 5x8 on the listing. Not one I found says otherwise.
HR here.
The strict 5x8 with heavy monitoring along with the extremely negative reviews from employees is having a drastic effect on hiring.
In the technology industry in the U.S., the current standard work model is hybrid or remote with flexible hours, especially for roles like software development, product management, data analysis, and design.
Here’s the breakdown of what’s considered “standard” in tech as of 2025:
• Work location:
• Hybrid (home + office) is most common.
• Fully remote is widely accepted, especially for experienced professionals.
• Some large companies (like Google or Apple) may expect 2–3 in-office days per week.
• Work hours:
• Typically 40 hours/week, but with flexibility in start and end times.
• Many companies care more about output than clocking 9 to 5.
• Monitoring:
• Minimal or no strict monitoring in most salaried tech roles.
• More oversight may exist in outsourced or junior remote roles.
• Tools used:
• Productivity is tracked via tools like Jira, GitHub, Slack, Teams, etc., not via surveillance.
In short, the tech industry standard is results-focused, flexible, and hybrid-friendly rather than tightly monitored 9–5 office work.
In the U.S. job market, the industry standard is still generally considered to be 5 days a week, 8 hours a day (i.e., the traditional 40-hour workweek), particularly for full-time, salaried employees. However, since the COVID-19 pandemic, flexible home/office (hybrid or remote) work has become widely accepted and even expected in many white-collar industries like tech, finance, and marketing.
Here’s a quick breakdown:
• Traditional 5x8 schedule with strict monitoring is still standard in:
• Manufacturing
• Healthcare
• Retail
• Customer service
• Government jobs
• Flexible hybrid/remote setups are increasingly common in:
• Technology
• Finance
• Consulting
• Creative industries
That said, strict monitoring (e.g., time-tracking, keystroke logging) is more typical in lower-trust environments or for remote roles with hourly billing, rather than being the overall standard.
There is nothing "industry standard" about it. Unless you are in a customer facing role, most MODERN companies trust their management employees enough to work remote or hybrid, addressing performance deficiencies individually if needed. See y'all at 6am tomorrow :).
Outside of telecom most companies are hybrid (2-3 days) in an office.
Yep, out of all my tech WFH neighbors, I’m the only one back in the office 5 days. My neighbor who’s in charge of hiring at her job says they purposely put people they want gone on 5 days RTO.
Most, if not all, for my group say "Onsite – Full-time office role" And weekly hours as 40.
However, I also know that we have been told we cannot do 4-10 hr days. So who the he-l knows.
Verizon is 8 days a month and T-Mobile is 3 days a week. It’s not the industry standard. Outside of telecom most companies are hybrid (2-3 days) in an office.
“ 5x8 RTO has now become the industry standard“
No matter how many times you repeat it, it does not make it true. The vast majority of large companies STILL employ a structured hybrid approach for their management personnel.
Also, the overwhelming majority of companies, large or small, do not monitor the amount of time their management employees are plugged into the LAN at work and create extensive and flawed reporting around it. Nor do they force their management employees into offices full time and not assign them a seat, in an office that does it have enough seats for all of said management personnel.
“I’m sure it’s hurting their recruiting.”
T doesn’t want potential employees who need to specifically told full time hours are required for available positions.
“ 5x8 RTO has now become the industry standard. This verbiage is no longer needed.”
No it isn’t. I’ve had companies try to recruit me and they specifically say that they allow flex or virtual presence.
Probably because if the minimum is 5 days a week, it sounds like they want you to live there.
I’m sure it’s hurting their recruiting.
No changes in the standard. After all this time, it is expected that all potential candidates realize every position has a 40 hour barr minimum requirement in the office..
Saw 1 of 9 without it yesterday.
What’s your point?
They can’t find the tier of talent they want willing to meet these requirements.