This should result in an accumulated effect of losing business over the years due to hostile and unfavorable view. Do you think this is happening ?
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I’ve seen the sausage made from Soylent Green but there are too many areas where Cisco’s competitors have found a way to do a worse job so I still buy Cisco in many cases.
As for the layoffs, too many people there don’t have the slightest clue how bad the quality is and how they’ve contributed to it. It’s not the guy who slept 8 hours a day in his office that’s the problem, it’s the incompetent working 80 hours a week checking in garbage that requires endless bug fixing. Both the staff and the code bases should be far smaller for the features you are delivering, and if this isn’t immediately obvious you are more likely the problem than the solution.
"The people fired as the ones that suck"
Famous last words.
"You'd have to be pretty immature to hold a grudge"
No, simply human.
Feedback from customers - Cisco CEO and ELT are the laughing stock within tech industry
"You'd have to be pretty immature to hold a grudge against a company that makes you redundant. It's business."
Responding in kind. What Cisco is doing is not less immature.
The people fired as the ones that suck so it’s not like they get powerful jobs at customers.
@fzy+1k2ABh6Q, something tells me you don't know a single person let go from Cisco. I've watched far too many talented people get LR'd just because they were "expensive". When you've been at Cisco for many years and have gotten pay increases over time, you become more expensive than the new people they can replace you with, except they don't know how Cisco works. Anyone can understand the technology, but when you don't know where the backend processes are, or how we link older processes to newer technology, that's where experience and institutional knowledge comes into play.
You'd have to be pretty immature to hold a grudge against a company that makes you redundant. It's business.
IF, you were let go because you were redundant, that would be true.
However, the reality is that Cisco usually lets older workers, or workers in SJC, go who are more expensive that younger workers in other areas of the US or India. Then they re-hire people to replace them in RTP or in India and they'll bring in 2-3 pay grade 6 workers to replace one pay grade 10 who knew how everything worked together and now these new guys, no matter how talented, have to figure out why something isn't working because they didn't realize there was some backend automation somewhere that died when a server was decommissioned because no one knew what it was for after the grade 10 guy was let go.
I've seen it happen multiple times when I get a case to resurrect some server that was decommissioned 30, 60, or 90-days ago.
Yeah, I imagine they have a large chip on their shoulder.
Same thing happened to IBM.
When people are treated unfairly, what do you expect?
The people fired as the ones that suck so it’s not like they get powerful jobs at customers.
Why do business with a company that has stupid ELT? Not risking it.
Immature of not, but FOOK CISCO!
You'd have to be pretty immature to hold a grudge against a company that makes you redundant. It's business.
I won't give Cisco the time of the day.
I know it's happening. Experienced it first hand on several occasions. Massive artificial resistance to anything Cisco from customers who hired LRd folks.