my boss told me today that he would nominate me for promotion next year, but worried that my current CO%, which is about 99%, is too low. but the HR document says promotion should not consider CO% or the time on your current PSG? any ideas? thanks
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Can you perform the required things in the next pay grade as described in your career ladder? If not, no.
I wonder what EB is going to do with the way CTC is handing out high ratings, (most notably IT because it is a large portion of CTC now). She had HR analyze how many EEs supervisors were giving out, and thus artificially inflating the CO very quickly. Something's got to change.
The only thing that affects you 'promotability' is are you in the inner circle or not. If you are, promotions are automatic, you probably won't be able to keep up with printing new business cards. If you aren't, be lucky you have a job. If you complain, you'll be advanced on the layoff chart.
You want a raise, sonny? Wait, let me get you a set of New York City yellow pages to sit on. There you go.
To the original poster:
Please don't become another su---r. A year out is too long and MOST managers I have seen use the promise of promotions to get people to work harder in the meantime without a raise. After the work gets done, some excuse (any they can think of, including you didn't have the correct course work in college) can be used to justify the decision.
Then you will just be another bitter worker who just got suckered. So make sure you understand the rules and what exactly your boss can control.
@5afu, I don’t think there’s any issue. The simple fact is there’s a lot of Indians and a few Chiefs. For you sensitive ones concerned about terminology and nomenclature, I’ll put it this way…. There’s simply not enough jobs at the top to accommodate everyone else below. Got it? Just try harder next time.
You know there is some “issue” when all they do is give you reasons why they can’t promote you. Another clue is when you have to ask for a promotion.
Two ways to improve the promotion process:
- Eliminate the “relative to peers” aspect like they did for the PMP process. It’s a b.s. metric. One either is doing all the the things at the next PSG or they aren’t. Needs to be more objective rather than subjective.
- Remove the artificial cap on promotions. It makes no sense.
- Hold twice a yr promotions. Having to wait a whole year is demoralizing and there is usually too much shift in leadership such that those who know you have moved to their next assignment.
I think we can all agree that the promotion process at Chevron is horrible for a variety of reasons. I’d be interested in hearing ideas on how to improve it. What changes would you make?
honestly, from all the conversations I've had around raises, the conversation in the background is "are there any legit reasons to NOT give this person a promotion?"
CO is seen as a proxy for performance. If you have been in grade 3 years and performed above average each year, your CO should be above 100% by now. If two candidates are competing for promotion and on is CO 115% and the other is 87%, the higher one will get it because the lower one will get good raises (maybe even better!) without the promotion.
If your CO percentage is at or past 100% for your current pay grade, you may receive the structural increase in the wage class, but not the merit side of what is really termed the “raise”. You’re chances for a promotion in pay grade while still in the same job position is next to impossible, unless the renumeration group and management see a “need” for it and you always prove yourself “to walk on water”. So, the lesson here is; if you are at or above 100% CO, if you want a promotion, you need to change to a higher paying job position. Staying too long where you are at can also get you laid off, as you may be perceived as unambitious. This all depends on who your boss. If he or she is also unambitious, then maybe your boss probably enjoys your familiar face and company, so you’ll stick around until you decide to retire or die.
Yes a CO of anything above 1.25 makes it likely you will get the bump because without it you will be held stagnant. That said if you top out each grade CO before getting promoted you will not raise very high in your career.
Unless you’re HiPot, CO and time in grade absolutely go into promotes. Longer the duration and the higher the CO, the better your odds.
CO means nothing when it comes to promotions, it only affects raises. Once your CO gets to 100 or greater, no more raises.
I got promoted last year and my CO was 94%. CO is the famous excuse when they don’t want to promote you. Sorry
If you have demonstrated performance at the next level, nothing else matters, in theory.
Could be that your performance doesn’t warrant a promotion.
Sounds like they are just preparing you for their excuse on why they aren’t promoting you