Is there someone from any other nonUS country impacted? Im from Ukraine and was working from Germany. My team was half from India half from US (collab). They were all laid off except me. I had 1o1 call with GM and i was told that they move me to other team. Do you think I am safe or they will fire me after a month or so. I am really scared that i wont get LR package
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They get paid more for providing no more value that a person working the drive-through in the sticks of Alabama.
That would be true if they charged the same for the same products at each location :-) Unlike McDonalds unless an individual contributor does something illegal to adulterate the food it's unlikely they'll be able to make a single bad decision that cost the company over $10M as happens at Cisco and they certainly don't get promoted for it like Cisco does.
The nature of high end jobs requiring creativity means companies would be better off paying a San Jose style rate for top quality remotes over low quality locals, but few companies are willing to consider the idea even when it can be shown the current approach yields lower results for the same cost.
You might want to browse a book (you'll have to translate the name to it's less socially acceptable title) "male cow pucky jobs." They named a number of useless job categories that are well represented throughout Cisco. I complain about Cisco's poor metrics leading to bad behaviors but this a more universal pattern.
So you should be paid more for providing no more value because of where you live? Oh yeah, that's how San Jose works!
Yup. That how any high-cost of living area works. It's not cheap to live in & around Washington D.C., but how many people work there? They have to be paid a living wage or they won't work there, but companies need lobbyists to lobby politicians to provide favorable treatment to their company and grease the way for laws that make it more profitable for the company to do business. It's how capitalism works. The same applies to the tech sector in the Bay Area, jobs in NYC, etc.
As companies decide they don't really need R&D or development in those locations, but only need executives or sales staff there, so they do lay-offs in those high cost of living areas and re-hire in cheaper places, or even in cheaper countries.
Do you think the fast food service people working at McDonald's in downtown NYC can afford to work there and live on minimum wage? They get paid more for providing no more value that a person working the drive-through in the sticks of Alabama.
The real question should be, why would people want to live and work in SJC, San Francisco, D.C., NYC, etc. and spend a higher percentage of their income on much smaller properties where they're at a higher risk of eviction if their job suddenly ends and they can't find new employment quickly when they can live somewhere much cheaper and have much more affordable housing and do the same job remotely?
The funny thing is that they fire in Germany but hire in Poland. Cheaper labor. Sh-t like this should be illegal.
So you should be paid more for providing no more value because of where you live? Oh yeah, that's how San Jose works!
The funny thing is that they fire in Germany but hire in Poland. Cheaper labor. Sh-t like this should be illegal.
Need more data. Maybe for different team a/o positions?
My director started his position 5 months ago and he is fired today. Cisco does not use logic.
Restructuring means wide changes. With them maybe a director position became redundant by clubbing together various team. There might be logic you don't see.
Germany is laid off end of this week. In Germany you get garden leave + severance, and they were first notified back in January that they were “at risk”.
The funny thing is that they fire in Germany but hire in Poland. Cheaper labor. Sh-t like this should be illegal.
My director started his position 5 months ago and he is fired today. Cisco does not use logic.
We were officially informed that Ireland completed notifications today.
I heard a team in China got hit yesterday.
Collaboration, of course.
Norway completed the LR process today. In the Webex Devices business unit in Norway, about 2.5% were laid off. Some in support functions (the guys running the beta program, some marketing people, and others) were also affected.
In the collaboration technology group as a whole, 10% had to go, according to Javed's allhands today. Norway (which mostly is about Webex Devices) thus got off relatively softly.
That’s all depends on country laws and regulations, such as Canada where the company must to inform all LR data before dec 12. Otherwise they can do it only after Jan 11.
What laws are you refering too, exactly? ? The only law that applies in this case says there must be a two weeks notice. If I tell you today and I do not force you into mandatory time off then that is it, you are google to go in the first days of Jan if you do not wish to stay till Feb March
U.K. is next month
For the guy , girl , or other saying “Europe” is on jan 12. Stop the bs. Some countries in Europe might be, others might get it finished by December 12 2023 depending on impact and laws. Most of them will be somewhere in q1 cy 2023.
That’s all depends on country laws and regulations, such as Canada where the company must to inform all LR data before dec 12. Otherwise they can do it only after Jan 11.
I don't think that you're fully safe yet...
You'll get the package if you're laid off next month
Some of the people who post around here should be LRed... they display a total lack of logic. What is the point of moving OP to another BU just to lay him off from there. In his case there maybe the fact that he could be a war refugee matters and they did not want to look bad firing him
Spouse was told Uk should be told today? Is it actually next month?
Why is Canada with Europe. There is not a lot of differences between Canada and US. There was some B$ flying around here according with in Canada they need some longer notice period but that is not true. It is two weeks.
Canada and Europe is on Jan 12th. If you get integrated fairly well within the new organization, you should be safe,
I don't think that you're fully safe yet...
You'll get the package if you're laid off next month