Thread regarding Ford layoffs

RTW should be simple....

Start reporting to your assigned building on x date, every day, except for PTO, or you're no longer employed.

Solves 2 problems. Lazy, unproductive remote workers, and reducing headcount without SIRP.

Do it or we consider you resigned.

Downvote away but this needs to happen!

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Post ID: @OP+1kEkmqC8

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@3scf+1kEkmqC8 - wages are based on the value of that a particular position is supposed to provide to a company and has zilch to do with the employee's cost of living. Employee's located in low cost areas will often accept a lower wage (which increases corporate profit margins) since since it gives them an edge and not reduce the standard of living compared higher cost areas.

Arguing for any national scoped company to pay lower wages based on employee's cost of living is arguing for a return of serfdom where you only receive what your lord is deigned to give you.

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Post ID: @4hoi+1kEkmqC8

Many buildings are still not ready for people to return to... logistics mess. Combine that with major reorg while people were WFH, & it will be a mess w/o a plan worked out for the whole Dbn. Eng. Ctr.

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Post ID: @4yly+1kEkmqC8

Told for 3 years straight...... WFH is more productive.........what changed?

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Post ID: @3axh+1kEkmqC8

Here’s an idea. For all of you who want to continue to WFH, we cut your pay. You no longer have the wear and tear on your vehicle. The extra cost of electricity does not amount to the same cost of driving to work everyday. After all, why should you get paid the same as those who are coming into the office/plant everyday? Those employees seem to be more productive than those who WFH. I don’t know how many times I have had to go to an LL6 to help with an issue because the GSR couldn’t be bothered leaving the comforts of home to experience a problem at the pilot plant. Then you all wonder why quality suffers. It’s not just management, but it’s also the GSR level that contributes to it. The more and more I work with PVT engineers, the more I realize that they are some of the best engineers in all of Ford and seem to be the only ones concerned with quality since their PRs are based on warranty.

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Post ID: @3scf+1kEkmqC8

1vwt+1kEkmqC8 LL6 often are disallowed by higher ups from purging useless GSRs as they are being protected by LL5/LL4/LL3+. An LL3 use to send around yearly lists of GSRs that were cascaded down to LL6 my husband (now retired) was required to take as many as he had open slots, even if the GSRs had zero skills or interest in the area. This is how LL6 get stuck with non-contributors. The best they could do is to pick up non-devious/non-evil GSRs (pleasant space-wasters). People learned quickly to not have any open slots.

One specific example when Ford outsourced security guards years ago, my husband was required to take one. He was an IT LL6 over a highly specialized group, the security guard had zero ability or inclination to learn. That GSR sat doing nothing for 19 years and retired with a pension, my husband was told the GSR was a permanent addition to his team, every time he tried to find him a more suitable position. In the end the guy was making $115,000 to sit and do nothing.

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Post ID: @3fto+1kEkmqC8

@3hdg if Ford had competent IT they could solve this issue with a simple app within a week.
That said there is no technical reason to RTO in our area. Yet our LL6 is pushing for it. He misses harassing the fairer gender in person. He is a pet of LL3 who continually protects him saying the LL6 ‘is only joking’ and the targets are the problem ‘hysterical gender’. The more things change the more they stay the same.
The three GSRs who did work in the office continue to be the only three doing work with WFH. The skaters and scammers in the office do the same at home. The blessing with WFH is you can just avoid the parasites and time wasters and you can mute the Incompetent bully LL6.

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Post ID: @3ujp+1kEkmqC8

Except there is not enough infrastructure capacity for RTO. It's one thing for everyone to just return to their assigned desk at their assigned building. Now you have to coordinate your schedule with the other thousands of nomadic people.

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Post ID: @3hdg+1kEkmqC8

No desire to RTO. Already fed up with the incompetence they have hired, I don't need to see it in person. And now, they get my commute time as added hours. If I'm forced to drive to Dearborn, it's going to be 8 & skate. As a pensioner, closing in on 30 years, with no promotional opportunities, RTO does nothing for me.

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Post ID: @2jke+1kEkmqC8

OP: Who are you to judge people and say that remote workers are unproductive? I've seen MANY unproductive in-office workers, chatting all day about football games, shopping on ebay, talking on the phone, etc.

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Post ID: @2mae+1kEkmqC8

It doesn’t need to happen. Ford wants it to happen with their hidden agenda. They aren’t putting anything out in writing from the top. It’s just dictated downward by Farley.

Microsoft just announced unlimited time off. Apply there. They seem to be forward thinking. My guess people won’t take as much time off as they used to, so it could be a brilliant strategy. They will watch those who abuse it and oust them.

People have their own reasons for wanting to RTO and those who don’t. Too bad we don’t accept people at face value. Let’s not treat our workers with respect and push them to the hidden agenda’s goal.

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Post ID: @1dkq+1kEkmqC8

Because Aunt Gretchen and the mayor of Dearborn want it. Bill does what Democrats want.

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Post ID: @1adn+1kEkmqC8

Why? Why do we need to drive 2- 3 hours a day to sit in a desk on talk on WebEx meetings? Why are we going backwards? Someone give me a good reason besides "collaboration," which is just nonsense.

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Post ID: @1rtq+1kEkmqC8

@1oug+1kEkmqC8

This is true. The only mo--ns that but Ford vehicles are Ford employees!

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Post ID: @1mcu+1kEkmqC8

RTO is the only way Ford can put more Ford vehicles on the road. More miles on them, more service needed. Less $ needed for marketing. More sales because more miles on your vehicle. More $'s for Ford. Always about $!!

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Post ID: @1oug+1kEkmqC8

@1bzq+1kEkmqC8 The vast majority of people I hear wanting to RTO (not RTW) are the ones who have made a career out of a-s kissing and building in person relationships. In a remote world they have to deliver work instead of personality and are really struggling to show their value.

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Post ID: @1tcy+1kEkmqC8

@edl+1kEkmqC8, sounds more like a Millenial who things he's on the way up the ladder rather than a Boomer who is quickly coming up on retirement. I suspect most of the Boomers would be plenty happy to skip the hassle/cost of commuting and stay out of office politics until they are done with their working days.

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Post ID: @1bzq+1kEkmqC8

@1vwt+1kEkmqC8 has it right. There is a problem with slackers, but the bigger problem is with their bosses. If you are a people leader that has non-productive employees and you do nothing about it, YOU are the problem. Being in or out of the office makes no difference.

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Post ID: @1yqt+1kEkmqC8

looks like more blood is needed...

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Post ID: @1lhe+1kEkmqC8

I remember the office days….people taking two hour lunches.. hallway walkers any time of day…people talking and visiting at each others desk…others performing touch and goes…people leaving early or coming in late…people working on their side jobs at work….etc.

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Post ID: @1tsh+1kEkmqC8

In-office workers waste more time at the coffee bars, in the malls, going out for LONG lunches, chatting at co-workers cubes.....the list goes on and one. A good manager will know if someone is doing their job. If not, a GOOD manager will have the courage to document the slackers and get them fired, instead of passing them on to another manager, or worse, promoting them because you have become afraid of them and trained them to behave the way they do. RTO is a management control issue!

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Post ID: @1vwt+1kEkmqC8

Please, by all means, spend as much time as possible in the office. I hope you 'go to the office' 7 days per week. Spend as much time as possible commuting and ruining the environment. Are you unable to show any actual work ? Why must you 'be seen' at the office ? Maybe you need the politics and s-x to maintain your job, but don't accuse others of being lazy when WFH - It's all about discipline to work or not - no matter where you are. Get with the times . . .

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Post ID: @wki+1kEkmqC8

Lazy unproductive workers are lazy unproductive workers whether remote or WFH. Still plenty of those left.

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Post ID: @cqe+1kEkmqC8

Go home, boomer.

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Post ID: @edl+1kEkmqC8

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