Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Cheaper not to hire American

Non-American people are cheaper. Indians for example are 1/3 the cost of American people. They’re looking for seat warmers, so why pay three times the price?

I wish I could see what demographics looked like, but I know that qualified Americans were let go for under-qualified non-Americans.

Nothing against foreigners, they’re great when they’re able to bring the same level of work. It’s not ok for an American country to layoff Americans and replace them with non-Americans.

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Capitalism fed and educated the American people only for the past 100 years.

Public primary education has been the order of the day for at least most of those 100 years. State colleges and universities opened the doors for many that had no other option. Much of the big iron and the original ARPAnet was built on the government dime both in industry and education giving a few of us access to opportunities denied to most in this country not to mention most of the world.

In the 1990s Moore’s Law made mass production of a range of technologies possible and those of us trained building things for the government were at the forefront of commercializing those technologies and many cashed out. Much of the world suddenly had access to what only us priests had and few of any culture including the US value any of it like we did and the lack of quality everywhere shows it. In the 1990s the federal government also cut back dramatically on R&D. It’s really only from around 2000 on that heavy computing and networking have been largely private sector endeavors and many of the standards were already set in stone giving us an advantage out of the gate.

As for food it’s been reported that 39% of net farm income came from the US government in 2020 and farm subsidies have been a thing for ages. Crop insurance is another government program.

So where is the US private sector today? Americans can’t even make saline (sterile salt water in a bag) which is having a significant impact in health care. We couldn’t produce enough formula for babies because of the toxic organisms living in the production systems no one bothered to clean. We had to sell our seaports to foreign operators because we didn’t know how to operate those profitably. Let’s just admit it, a lot of this is on us.

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Post ID: @1nnv+1kbelzFK

"There is no love towards locals anymore"

Not when they're simple minded like you indeed.

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Post ID: @1avo+1kbelzFK

And this people, is how you get fired. Post similar idiocy in today's Check-in and out the door you go.

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Post ID: @1oac+1kbelzFK

Capitalism fed and educated the American people only for the past 100 years.
Pretty short term in the scheme of things.
It tends to move on, this form of economy.
Invented on the Irish plantations only 300 years ago.

Get used to it. Right?

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Post ID: @1hyd+1kbelzFK

Wow, are you guys commenting just really that d-mb? Lots of talk about under qualified non-Americans, discrimination in your own country and founding fathers??? Y'all know that Cisco is a global company right and that American isn't in fact the center of the universe. Try doing some travel and broadening your minds, if you've been laid off, sounds like you have the time to do it.

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Post ID: @1kez+1kbelzFK

Of course we can’t compete. There are many countries that pay less than a living US wage or even what is legal here. It doesn’t seem quite right that a company built in the US should be able to outsource to this degree.

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Post ID: @1kae+1kbelzFK

Old straight white American male here. Cisco has many Technical Leaders and Principal Engineers who can identify similarly who couldn’t correctly write a five line high school programming assignment off the top of their head and wouldn’t even think to push what they had written through a compiler to see how wrong they were before publishing it to the world with great pride. Cisco has the whitepapers to prove it (and no, they weren’t presented as pseudocode.)

Take out the old and American qualifiers and we still make up only about 5% of the world’s population which means the world’s top 10% outnumber all of us by a wide margin. With a Raspberry Pi having hundreds of times the compute power as well as more RAM than the first cluster of mainframes I used had online disk space along with the educational materials on the internet the playing field is starting to level and many are going to be faced with the reality at some point that even at the same pay point they can’t compete, and for some that time has already come. That doesn’t make it “discrimination.”

So welcome to capitalism! Don’t tell me you believed the datasheet?

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Post ID: @1lkb+1kbelzFK

we are being discriminated against in our own country. in 20 yrs we gonna be a minority in our own country. how to correct this injustice?

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Post ID: @ial+1kbelzFK

The country is just acting "woke" to justify cost cutting and strong bonuses to leaders. There is no love towards locals anymore.

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