Perhaps it was already discussed here. Does anyone know if they truly track based on 8 hours in office? Or it can be 6 or 7? Any insight please and thank you.
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So you can just average 8 hours a day for the week like 7 hours one day and 9 hours the next day?
@w7 BE can quote herself ad nauseam in a trial trying to avoid reclassifying these jobs as hourly. I'll happily take over a decade of overtime back pay if that's the angle they want to play.
It's not going to change the law.
It’s tracked but people get a half hour break paid so they can only track up to 7.5. For those told that over 8 is expected of exempt, in tech we have in writing an email from BE saying a full day in the office is 8 hours. If you stay a minute more that’s on you but she said 8. Many people where I am set an alarm for 3 minutes before the 8 and then the walk out hits at 8.
@m2 I think there are some data latencies that work in your favor as to when you actually leave vs. when it records your departure - like the network has a lag in recognizing that you have disconnected. that said, per your comments - wouldn't push it too far, I think it's on the order of 15-20 minutes and can vary.
@s2 Like the Severance policy that states 2 weeks per year worked, which is located in the last appendix of the Benefits Book.
@eb when you get to work Monday search the manager guidance. It’s publicly available. It’s hard to fathom how ignorant people that work at this company are. No wonder we’ve been in such trouble with regulators for so long. Basic facts that are completely searchable ignored.
I have consistently averaged about 7.75 hours in the office, never actually 8+, and I saw on my manager's screen today that my average in his dashboard says "8+ hours."
So there is absolutely some kind of a buffer built in, but I wouldn't test it too aggressively.
Not all heroes wear capes. FRTO.
@k8 my manager gave me the "exempt employees are expected to work more than 8 hours" line.
A cursory search of labor laws proves that is patently false.
Anything under 8 shows up as such in the reporting. Depends on your leadership team how that is handled. I know I'll get a ping from the exec. I report to on Monday morning if I show up less than 8 hours. I have kids and drop off duties for my kids in the morning so I'm usually getting to the office at 9:45 or later . I'm in a completely empty office for 2 hours most days until close to 6pm
It says right on the publicly available manager guidance that it’s an average. There is no keystroke tracking. 7.5 AVERAGE is when the color on the dashboard changes.
@ac I’ll go one further. The answers are here. Most truthful. It’s standard big business. The guy working 3 hrs in an office but pulling whales isn’t going to be held to the same standard as someone in a cost center regardless of their actual impact. It is what it is. I know I am less valuable on a balance sheet because of this
The base rules have been set and transparent managers will tell you. 3 days, 7.5hrs in office each day with 50% of your RTO activity occurring at your assigned work location. Activity tracking (keystrokes, etc) is 100% real but rife with inconsistencies that take time to program out which is why it isn’t being used as a widespread tool currently. Anything you without hitting those minimums is ANNOTATED in reports and dashboards.
From there it is up to your Tower/LOB as to what, if any, consequences there are.
@e9 it’s not an average. Is this a serious question? I will assume serious and I really have to wonder about the managerial communications here to some groups and then comprehension skills.
3 days a week. 8hrs in office those 3 days. However you get those 8 hrs is up to you. 3 days of 7.4 hrs each you’re on a report and show up on your managers dashboard as a discrepancy. You could do 4 days of 7.4 hrs, won’t matter, have to break that threshold. At that point it’s whatever your chain of command has decided is appropriate.
My group, that first week we’d be spoken to by direct manager. After that it might be an escalation up a level or review impact at minimum.
Perhaps, perhaps indeed.
Can you front load it by working let’s say 10 hours in office on Wed/Thursday then 4 hrs on Friday? That would average out to 8 p/day.
@ab Director here, in COO, have poorly rated and then eventually termed two individual contributors for repeatedly failing to meet the RTO threshold. You must be new here or something. Once word of those terminations got out, RTO compliance increased.
@ab this post is dangerously inaccurate. It is definitely happening everywhere and it’s common knowledge at this point. Troll.
Yes it is tracked. Your leaders will determine if at what average of time they care about. One of the leaders in my org said he doesn't even pay attention to anybody at 7 or above.
They're tracking keystrokes in case you haven't heard.
@ad I guess then you deserve to be let go… you serve no purpose, while others carry your weight.
@bn inconsistently meets (IM) performance rating
@ab what is IM?
@ab I know of someone who will definitely be fired for cause soon based solely on failure to RTO. They have been warned but they're still refusing to RTO.
@bc folks less than 4 hours got warning in our team. I guess 6-7 hours are ok for now. But it does depend on teams.
In my group, some managers are monitoring and have had conversations with subordinates who were averaging 4 hrs. It doesn't appear to be consistent.
@ab how exactly would one provide an example of a teammate who never came to work, was subquently given an IM and then termed without severance? Are you gonna need someone to break into the HR database and steal some documents before you belive this is happening? Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
I just scan and leave
go in....log in....have a nap....lunch....nap....go home
You would think that after this question being asked weekly, and going without any definite answer, for months, that people would realize this question is never getting answered here with any certainty.
@a1 Provide one example of anyone so far being terminated without severance for RTO / IM. Although possibly true in the future, this is not yet happening.
Stop spreading disinformation.
@a7 this is the way.
the report shows average number of hours in office over last four weeks. it shows everyone (under or over 8 hours) but for <8 hrs it shows your actual numerical average, for more than 8 hrs it says "8+"
There isn't a firm "cutoff" other than saying 8 hrs on average is required. how it can be used depends on pattern over time and what the individual does after they are spoken with by the manager. it can be used for corrective action, and it can be used as a factor in performance rating.
You want to roll the dice with your livelihood and find out?
I just do 8 hours +/- 5 minutes
I've definitely had weeks where I was consistently below 8, but not by much. The threshold isn't a hard 8, but they're being cute about communicating what it actually is
Given the current state of things, probably best to just pad it a few minutes over 8 most days. No sense putting a target on your back
@a2 you would know your rating.
@a1 would you know that you have IM rating before hand or can it happen whenever?
@OP it’s more about your relationship with your manager. If your manager doesn’t like you, this time tracking can be part of your performance review. Once you have an IM rating, Wells Fargo can terminate without providing severance package.