Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

A few thoughts 3,5 years after leaving ATT (RTO)

First I'll say that I genuinely enjoyed my small team at AT&T with whom I worked the last 20 years of my career there. I have no resentment to the time I spent there, so this isn't a complaining post, just some perspective after some time away. I was in management, doing technical work and app development for sales support.

Most of my team, about 80%, was laid off for not moving to Dallas (most of the rest were already there; one or two moved there). We were in various focus cities supporting our local sales teams, but the senior leadership didn't understand that and did not make exceptions. I found another position doing similar work for another company and started 3 weeks after my final day at T. The new company has fewer than 1000 people, for comparison.

So here are some of my takeaways, in case someone with a long career at AT&T might be thinking about making the jump, or who might have it forced on them.

  1. Surprising that this is the first one, but honestly it's such a difference that I wanted to call it out: I have not opened Powerpoint once since I left T. At T, powerpoint was basically the language of business. We wasted so many cycles "making a deck" to try to communicate to the ever-changing field of senior leadership that I probably spent the plurality of my time in Powerpoint vs. any other program. I got a new laptop at my new job, and realized as I deleted the pre-placed icon from the desktop that I've never once used Powerpoint. We use Teams, sometimes demos, sometimes a mockup or diagram...but I've never had to "make a deck."

  2. It really hit me just how many people at AT&T did literally nothing of value. This is not a dig against most colleagues, but rather just that significant subset who didn't have discernible skills, so got placed into positions to just spin their bureaucratic wheels but otherwise stay out of the way. I recall two dozen names off the top of my head that were just there to make people jump through hoops, document workflow (for no followup reason), design a new process that was jettisoned as soon as they moved somewhere else, or just attend meetings and throw in their two cents without really contributing. Outside of T, there are people of various skill and contribution levels, but nobody whose job is simply to fly under the radar. When I read stories about T employees logging in and leaving their laptops in lockers, or sitting in the cafeteria watching TV, it makes me glad to know that where I'm at now, everybody is giving a fair day's work without making work for others.

  3. Leadership at AT&T is toxic. I'm not just talking the Stankey/Stephenson types, who, yes, have ruined the company through unfathomable incompetence. I'm talking the people in the mid-level, director-like positions and above. Almost all (not all) of them at T seemed like they got there based on the Peter Principle or otherwise nodded their head enough. Only in the beginning of my career in the late 1990s did I feel any executive director or above at T (SBC at the time) was there due to being a practitioner of their craft, for being respected, or for being a good manager. And that class began to dwindle as time went on, replaced by hollow, empty suits who could spew buzzwords and claim empty victories by cherry picking their numbers. It's like an ever-shifting field of grifters.

  4. The hiring process at ATT is irreparably broken. I was a hiring manager, and trying to get someone competent in the door was inexplicably difficult. HR gatekept candidates and had no concept of the hard and soft skills we needed. We got sent batches of candidates who faked their resumes, faked their interviews (even before AI was big), faked their legal ability to work in the U.S., and so on. There were times that it took 9 months to find an entry level programmer because HR kept whiffing. HR gets a lot of flack everywhere, but at T, I believed they were truly a cesspool of rejects.

Maybe I'll think of more but these hit me just this week. There are things I miss about T, mostly dealing with colleagues, but these are definitely things I do not miss! The day-to-day stress and friction they cause isn't always evident when you're in the middle of it. Only after the ATT shackles are thrown off do you realize how bad of an environment it can be!


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People never stay long enough in a position to actually be effective on the business and results. Effective in a PowerPoint sure but actual results. They move on an up so quickly at ATT that their damage just keeps getting passed along. New innovative ideas are cast aside as risky and rocking the boat.

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Post ID: @gw+1kx8p3p1p

Long-time L3 here. "People who resent the rules of the game seldom achieve distinction in that game."

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Post ID: @ge+1kx8p3p1p

OP again:
After I left AT&T, I married a hot ling--ie model too. Life has been good since I left.

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Post ID: @gc+1kx8p3p1p

@bp and the twits who upvoted. Contributor indicated Stankey was responsible for strategic failures, L3 and L4 for day to day failures. Reading comprehension is fundamental.

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Post ID: @fs+1kx8p3p1p

@er It is absolutely real. Talk to others that left. 2 Constriction staff left and make a lot more. A friend went to a competitior and works 9-4.

I loved working here until 3 years ago. High performer but barely a raise because of salary ranges. Dangled title change for 3 years that Townes would not sign for anyone. Losing 15 hours a week traveling to the office to sit by myself on calls. None of this was worth the job.

In this job I just have to get my work done. I can make it 8-5 or not,

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Post ID: @ex+1kx8p3p1p

"I also left this year after 35 years" So T felt like a prison, yet you stayed 35 years? BTW, what is this perfect company that hired you? More $ and you get to work whenever you want to. Sounds like a BS post

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Post ID: @er+1kx8p3p1p

@bk ..well said, trolls are going to troll, there only joy is in tryoing to make other peopke feel bad,

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Post ID: @en+1kx8p3p1p

@bx

Please don't. We've already had enough of you

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Post ID: @em+1kx8p3p1p

@eh

OP may or may not be a loser, not sure. But at least they aren't a simple-minded bootlicker like you.

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Post ID: @ek+1kx8p3p1p

I'll take things that didn't happen for $1,000

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Post ID: @eg+1kx8p3p1p

When I leave, I will come back to this forum and talk about my time here. AT&T is everything to me.

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Post ID: @bx+1kx8p3p1p

Amazon has heavily shifted away from traditional PowerPoint decks for internal decision-making. In 2004, former CEO Jeff Bezos officially banned slideshow presentations for senior leadership and executive meetings, replacing them with the now-famous "6-page narrative memo". This change completely restructured how Amazon operates:
Flipped Meetings: Meetings no longer begin with a presentation. Instead, the first 15 to 20 minutes are spent in total silence while everyone reads the memo.

No Hiding Flaws: Bezos found that PowerPoint made it too easy for presenters to use charisma to sell weak ideas and hide logical flaws. A written narrative forces the author to engage in rigorous, clear thinking. Note:

What Remains: While high-stakes executive decisions require these narratives, PowerPoint is still widely utilized at Amazon for external customer pitches, sales, marketing, and some internal training.

Stock price: Amazon $245, T $21

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Post ID: @br+1kx8p3p1p

@a2+1kx8p3p1p Please, give it up trying to blame mid-level managers for the strategic failures of AT&T, now that is ridiculous. Are a good majority of AR&T mid-level management incompetent? Of course they are but they have no input into the strategic corporate decisions or the failures of the C-Suite decisions made. They are just lemmings following the lead and direction of those more incompetent above them.

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Post ID: @bp+1kx8p3p1p

@b8 It would be wise to listen to you own advice. If you don't like something you read but have no real argument against it, then perhaps you should just move on also.

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Post ID: @bm+1kx8p3p1p

OP is spitting straight facts. This post has more valuable, actionable points than the all the 8 figure McKinsey consultant reports in the past decade. PowerPoint is how functionally illiterate people communicate with each other. If you need it, we don't need you. We need technical writers, not children's book authors. I spend a strong plurality of my time sitting in Teams meetings having a PowerPoint read to me verbatim by a person far less intelligent than anyone on my team and who gets paid twice as much as any of us. I also see almost no value being added by management levels 3 through at 6. I can also name dozens of people in the category of make-work employees that contribute nothing but bureaucracy. These are created and maintained by the aforementioned L3-L6s to expand their fiefdoms.

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Post ID: @av+1kx8p3p1p

OP again

I have another one because someone in another thread mentioned PLE and that took me back!

In my "new world," we have one training course a year - it's mandated by the state: 30 minutes on the topic of harassment.

There are no other boxes to tick. Once a year, someone from our 4-person HR department sends out a link to the 20 page policy PDF and tells us to keep it in mind as we do our jobs. No acknowledgement, no damn quiz, no clicking through fake actors pretending to discuss it over their fake lunch.

There's also no punching in and out and no time requirements. The bosses ask that we be generally available if needed from 9am-3pm (excluding lunch); outside of that is our business as long as we put in our work.

I had gone without an element of trust for so long that it was difficult to recognize when I saw it again.

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Post ID: @ag+1kx8p3p1p

@a9+1kx8p3p1p - OP here. Thanks for asking! Yesterday evening I met with some old colleagues passing through for the first time since we were laid off, and we caught up with each other's lives. It was interesting to hear their perspectives and I thought I'd share mine. Still have some friends at "the mothership."

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Post ID: @ae+1kx8p3p1p

"make a deck" - biggest waste of time & a complete joke. Perfect post OP!

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Post ID: @ac+1kx8p3p1p

Your first thought should be, why am I looking back and posting on a site about a job I had 3 years ago. Loser.

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Post ID: @a9+1kx8p3p1p

HR at T is most definitely a cesspool of rejects and DEI flunkies.

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Post ID: @a5+1kx8p3p1p

I also left this year after 35 years. I feel like I escaped from prison. My skills translated to another company. I make more money, am totally appreciated and can work when and however I want. I still have corporate tracking brain but no one cares if I take the afternoon off as long as my work is up to date. I was also replaced by several people and based on what I know it is not going well. I told my boss for years I was doing the work of 3-4 people.

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Post ID: @a3+1kx8p3p1p

@OP 95% or more of L3/L4 should be immediately terminated. Say they've decided to retire. Whatever. This goes for 50% or more of Associate Directors as well. Blame Stankey all you want for strategic failures, but these mo--ns bear the responsibility for the day to day failures in this company. Prove me wrong.

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