Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Cisco can still get back on track

They may still be able to get back in the saddle but that depends on the ELT.

  1. They have these useless layers of directors, managers, etc. especially in sales and CX, who do absolutely nothing. They do not add value, do not build business and definitely are not instrumental to generating revenue. All they do is talk and jive and make lives of sincere, loyal engineers, very, very difficult. They need to get rid of these managerial fat, use a collapsed management model. VPs have to take more responsibility , have more visibility to employees, not just hide and have the psychotic sales and CX directors make lives a living he-l for sincere working people who actually have kept the company running.
  2. They need to take away these perpetual threat of LRs every quarter, every year, all the time. The ELT has to understand that this toxic culture takes away the peace of mind of their employees, inhibits them from giving their best. Most people are looking for a backup opportunity in case of LRs almost all the time. This cannot be a productive healthy environment for employees to grow and build a career. Irrespective of how many so-called "Execs" come to this site and brazenly state that "technology is a commodity" in a technology company (shame on you CP!) , Cisco IS a technology company. If our directors treat that same technology and technologists as commodities then the onus is on the ELT to get rid of these Prima Donnas and clean the house!
  3. Once the above two steps are done, they should have more than enough money and leanness to budget for R&D and developing next generation technology. Build the next disruptive tech be that AI/ML or whatever else. The salaries , bonuses and RSUs of those Sales and CX directors and managers who are fattening themselves on our sweat and effort should be more than enough to compensate for the R&D OPEX. Then Cisco , in another 2 to 3 years, can once again claim to be one of the best (not because someone pays off some dodgy survey to rank us as the best).

Cisco is the only company who does so many layoffs all the time, every year. Google, Amazon, Meta - they are laying off people now, but very rarely does so. Cisco is the ONLY one because the ELT do not have a technology hat. They are focused on Wall St. numbers and treat employees as numbers. Starting to treat employees as human beings will likely bring back Cisco's lost glory from the 90s and early 2000s. If you want something, then you need to invest into that. Cisco has forgotten to invest in its employees - the ELT just wants to exploit the workers.

Some sales directors talk to people as if they do not believe in Cisco anymore themselves, they are just in it for the benefits and the "margins" (again, as one of the Execs have pointed out in this site). Every internal training for the SEs is designed to turn them into an AM. This is a tech company and you need technical presales, no matter how much you jive on webex Mr. Director. Change the culture and the culture will change the company. To get dividends out of something, you need to invest.

ELT are responsible for every disastrous decision, be that business, technology or internal administration. Onus is on the ELT to stop prioritising fattening themselves and having a thought or two about the company, business and employees. But soul-searching is probably not the strongest point of our management!

Well said, @ino+1kZnGSKT.

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@hwq+1l0bOHb0 "I am in the services. There are too many old white peoples in the CX. CX is place where carrer goes to dying. All the old prople there!"

Really, can we stop with the wokism?? would it be different and more success if only the leaders weren't old or white? Would you call this out if it were mostly BAEM led? Would that automatically mean success or rather than focusing on the ethnicity or age (etc) of our co-workers, managers, leaders and assigning success or failure based on those factors can we please god say that we want good competent people in the business??

Some of the best minds I know happen to be 'old and white males' - does that mean that I shouldn't seek their leadership? some of the best are young Asian females, some are 'old, white females', Egyptian, Pakistani, Irish, Malaysian, African, Brazilian, Indian, Chinese, French, German, and yes, on occasion American. they all add success and inspiration to me because they are great at what they do.

Call out ineffective leadership, call out incompetent sales people, call out things that stop them from adding value and success. Don't assign any failures based on skin colour, se-ual orientation, gender identify, age, height, shoe size, weight ... Full stop!

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Post ID: @3jvg+1l0bOHb0

I can only speak for software development side. Over the last decade (don't know before that), CISCO has onboarded too many un-qualified engineers that cannot code, design, and debug by equally un-qualified managements. They can only play politics and some of them became Managers/Directors later. People with real skills won't stay long or won't. Unless CISCO can find and get rid of a large portion of those - NO FAT CHANCE.

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Post ID: @2mxy+1l0bOHb0

Congratulations on plagiarizing many posts before this one and representing the sum as your own, where much of what you stole is just wrong. You are clearly a Cisco employee.

If any of you knew anything about running a business you'd be running your own, and based on this commentary, into the ground. Look at how the list of the most valuable companies keeps changing over time and you'll learn that companies rise and then they fall. Some leaders fade into the background and remain legacy concerns for decades (IBM, HP, Oracle, Cisco, etc...) Such legacy companies have only a few small pockets where real talent can be fully realized and real talent doesn't stay if they can't get into those pockets. The rest walk behind the horses in the parade with the buckets and the shovels. That's you. That's your choice. Know it. Love it.

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Post ID: @2oan+1l0bOHb0

What's a technical CEO gonna do when 5 layers of the management tree under him is utter BS?? Get real and just ride it out. Only thing Cisco has going for it is a big ship takes a long time to sink...

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Post ID: @1zbx+1l0bOHb0

@1bjy+1l0bOHb0 What does that have to do with cloud providers? Or are you just giving an example of a fact that’s irrelevant to the conversation?

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Post ID: @1ewi+1l0bOHb0
All corporations care about 3 things:

* cutting labor costs
* reducing taxes
* eliminating potential competitors through acquisitions

You don't need a technical leader to accomplish these 3 things.

The first two bullets, and to a lesser degree the last bullet, are all about maximizing, or protecting, profits. You have to have a product or service to sell to generate revenue before you can cut costs in order to generate profits. For that, you _do_ need technical leaders over sales.

I worked for a company that had been in business for 20 yrs back in the days of the Sear's catalog days. They produced the catalog, they manned the call center that took orders before the Internet and online ordering, and they handled the pick, pack and shipping just like Amazon does. They were good at what they did and somewhere along the way they decided to go public with an IPO and the venture capitalists decided that they could turn the company's process into a Business-to-Business (B2B) service and be more profitable than dealing with the catalog printing, product warehousing, call center order taking and the pick, pack and shipping, so they sold all that off before even getting a working B2B process ready to sell to businesses. But the sales leadership thought they could "sell" the service even though it was just a pipe dream at the time. That 20 yr old business was out of business in less than 2 yrs, with the last 6 months being the C-suite moving into a smaller set of short-term leased offices w/ one admin collecting the last of the IPO money while the rest of the company was laid off with barely 2-weeks severance pay. The only ones who didn't get screwed over were the workers who got sold off to other companies as part of the call center and warehouse divestiture.

Maybe if they'd had some technical leadership, they'd have produced a product to sell before trying to make a business of selling a service.

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Post ID: @1zhd+1l0bOHb0

@1gmh Have you ever heard of remote work? Campus switches and WiFi are being replaced by remote laptops with Microsoft apps. Even within the campus, who plugs in an Ethernet port anymore? And if everyone is working from home or hoteling desks in the campus with a bluetooth headset, who needs a desk phone? I suppose the security cameras and APs are the only things that need Ethernet ports now.

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Post ID: @1bjy+1l0bOHb0

@1juc+1l0bOHb0 Sure the public cloud took some data center ports but our core is still LAN switching which they didn’t reduce. You must be a DC guy with a myopic view.

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Post ID: @1gmh+1l0bOHb0

"All 3 listed dinosaur companies above were driven into the ground by CEOs with sales/marketing experience only. Meanwhile, Apple is booming. Sales folks F*ked up Cisco, big time."

Apple is not lead by a technical leader. Sales folks turned a legacy network equipment company without an ounce of technical expertise into a $200 billion brand. Cisco receives blank check contracts from governments to purchase networking equipment acquired from other companies.

All corporations care about 3 things:

  • cutting labor costs
  • reducing taxes
  • eliminating potential competitors through acquisitions

You don't need a technical leader to accomplish these 3 things.

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Post ID: @1whh+1l0bOHb0

Blockbuster replaced by Netflix and other streaming services.
Kodak replaced by smart phones and other digital cameras.
Cisco replaced by cloud computing platforms: AWS, Azure, GCP, etc.

All 3 listed dinosaur companies above were driven into the ground by CEOs with sales/marketing experience only. Meanwhile, Apple is booming. Sales folks F*ked up Cisco, big time.

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Post ID: @1juc+1l0bOHb0
I am in the services. There are too many old white peoples in the CX. CX is place where carrer goes to dying. All the old prople there!

It's not just old white people, but old Asian, too, in Singapore and Japan. They are OK IF they have any other work experiences outside Cisco. The prob is most of them have no work experience outside Cisco. That's the big prob. That's making the company look so bad and toxic.

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Post ID: @1nly+1l0bOHb0

Cisco is the next Xerox or Kodak. Steve Jobs said it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4

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Post ID: @1dcm+1l0bOHb0

I am in the services. There are too many old white peoples in the CX. CX is place where carrer goes to dying. All the old prople there!

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Post ID: @hwq+1l0bOHb0

"No chance unless they bring in a new technical CEO"

Cisco sells and markets legacy network equipment, we are far from a technology company. A technical CEO works at Google or Microsoft... not Cisco

Boeing doesn't need a technical CEO, but someone that can sell planes.

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Post ID: @scq+1l0bOHb0

No chance unless they bring in a new technical CEO and replace all of the ELT along with bunch of HW and SW products that are not needed by customers

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Post ID: @xng+1l0bOHb0

If the Board has not acted by now they won't. Don't get your hopes up.

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Post ID: @vsd+1l0bOHb0

The glory of the 90s is long gone! It was a great company then!

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Post ID: @llj+1l0bOHb0

Hear, Hear!

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Post ID: @yva+1l0bOHb0

They don’t give a SHlTTY FA-T about this. Read the 10-Q strategic headcount this strategic head count that. Cisco is in managed decline and that’s that!

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Post ID: @ndq+1l0bOHb0

@ydw+1l0bOHb0 Agree 100%.

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Post ID: @hir+1l0bOHb0

No chance they can bring it back. The rot is too deeply set.

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Post ID: @pck+1l0bOHb0

All of those employees with over 15-year tenure need to be removed first! Over 20 years is out of the question! They MUST go! They are just doing nothing under the brand of old glory but hiding themselves to survive and blocking truly talented people from other tech companies.

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