Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

I Left Wells Fargo Today to go teach English in South Korea

Due to recent economic conditions, I've come to realize that the modern dream of buying a house/starting a family is a tenuous one at best. The fact of the matter is that there is a finite amount of resources on the planet, so infinite economic growth is unsustainable. Sooner or later, we will run out of cheap oil/natural gas/coal, and we will be forced to simplify. Our species has overshot the earth's carrying capacity with vast overpopulation.

I no longer feel that digital banking has a bright future because it is reliant on an electrical grid, and a globalized system of mineral extraction, which is extremely fragile. There is a finite amount of copper, palladium, lithium, and cobalt that can be used to build and maintain datacenters. At a certain point, there simply won't be enough materials to continue to power and maintain the massive network of datacenters that make up the internet today. If we don't run out of natural gas to power them first, then we will run out of diesel fuel to ship the necessary parts.

So, I have given up on the dream instilled in me from childhood to buy a house and have kids. I am going to live a minimalist lifestyle teaching English in South Korea. Right now, I have no debt, no kids, and no responsibilities. I have about $260k saved, $100k of which is tied up in my 401k. Even this amount is not much considering that starter homes are $500k+, and will inevitably require massive repairs due to increased weather severity from climate change. It no longer makes sense for me to try to live the traditional, high resource lifestyle of having several kids and owning a large suburban house. Due to resource depletion, this is a lifestyle that is only possible for most people by utilizing large amounts of debt.

It's been an interesting, and very eye-opening ride. However, now I am thoroughly disillusioned.

We are living in fantastically unique times due to a one-time windfall of fossil fuels. It won't last forever.

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Post ID: @OP+1lERk3qk

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Corporate America, in particular at this company, at this time has never been as toxic as it is now. It's well known that stress ages people fast and contributes to many health factors. Anyone moving towards a better life balance without the BS of corp America is someone I respect. You only live once and there's no use being half alive or miserable. As shown on this board, there's a lot of that right now. Not only is the "high resource" lifestyle the most expensive it's ever been, but at this company your ability to earn a living is also in the hands of self serving, selfish egotistical managers that can't see beyond the walls in their office. Take happiness in your own hands.

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Post ID: @2cke+1lERk3qk

Korea doesn’t have the cheapest cost of living but nevertheless good luck on your new adventure in the East. Enjoy the food and culture. Banking will still be a hot mess and here for you should you change your mind.

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Post ID: @1app+1lERk3qk

"Peak oil" was something created by oil industry scientists to allow them to drive up the price of a barrel of oil.

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Post ID: @1jgz+1lERk3qk

@1xfy+1lERk3qk The easiest path forward in my view is to vastly reduce resource consumption. I have been vegan for over a year now, and it has actually improved my standard of living, even though it uses far less resources. My cholesterol has gone down, and I have more energy. My monthly grocery bill has been cut in half. My wife and I sold our home, and now we split rent in a 1-bedroom apartment. Our yearly living expenses are so much lower, that now I am not stressed about being laid off because I could live for years without a paycheck. I've come to a very freeing conclusion that you can actually be happier with a lot less.

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Post ID: @1tal+1lERk3qk

@1cxr+1lERk3qk This is hive mind fatalism presented by someone who is made uncomfortable by change. You’re welcome to give up on the future of earth, but note that is not a helpful ideology to the current or future generations. What resources does Mars have that will be so helpful to our future?

Elon is just another billionaire, he couldn’t pull off a tunnel system and you think this guy will lead us to mars?

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Post ID: @1xfy+1lERk3qk

Overall point of the OP is valid. It's the reason we as a species need to focus on expanding outwards, off earth.

Lot of people don't like Elon Musk, but he's working in the right direction. If not him, then who else is positioned with both the vision and the resources to make it happen...? Bezos? The Government? The Chinese?

One way or another, we need to recognize that the earth's resources are not going to last forever. The only long term solution is to seek resources elsewhere.

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Post ID: @1cxr+1lERk3qk

OP don't be so pessimistic. South Korea has 24 nuclear reactors and working on more.

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Post ID: @1dtq+1lERk3qk

Earnestly, good luck to you!

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Post ID: @1vnk+1lERk3qk

Cost of living is lower in a country next door to a little madman who is willing to wipe them off the face of the earth at any slight provocation?

You don't say.

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Post ID: @1cxz+1lERk3qk

Find your peace and live your life as desired. Corporate America and the “American dream” isn’t the only way to achieve fulfillment. I have a niece who is an Ivy League graduate building homes in Costa Rica and a nephew who completed the Cordon Bleu training in Thailand and is a chef and I don’t think he’ll ever return to live in America. Both of them established connections in those countries and you be sure to do the same in South Korea. Best to you.

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Post ID: @1ona+1lERk3qk

Living the new dream. Take note as you reach old age your health expenses skyrocket. Best of luck and wonderful post OP!

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Post ID: @jnp+1lERk3qk

I heard there is some wildlife flourishing in the DMZ.

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Post ID: @iqn+1lERk3qk

Fun-tastic.
Leave the corporate rat race and enjoy the World at a more pleasant pace

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Post ID: @nce+1lERk3qk

It is a bit overwhelming OP, certainly you point up some widely known concerns. One could benefit from consuming a bit less news and politics and still be very in tune with things.

We all have to find a way to survive together no matter where we live in the world.

I hope you find the peace and simplicity you are looking for.

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Post ID: @swq+1lERk3qk

You won't have to be too minimalist. I told English on the side while stationed there in the army... It is lucrative.

You'll need a year's deposit up front to rent something though

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Post ID: @wfq+1lERk3qk

Two suggestions

  1. Being a foreigner in RoK is not that easy. Many places outside Seoul (bars, restaurant, landlords etc) will treat you like trash and are openly xenophobic, you have to be prepared for that and not take it personally. Read expat experiences https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-racism-do-white-people-face-in-South-Korea-today
  2. The extended comment on finite resources etc is an old bet: Simon versus Ehrlich 1970s. Simon won then and is still winning https://www.aier.org/article/julian-simon-and-paul-ehrlichs-second-bet/

G'dspeed nevertheless.

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Post ID: @ygm+1lERk3qk

"South Korea has pretty much no natural resources...not sure that's the place to be if/when this theoretical mad scramble for resources happens."

I think OP implied that they will be using far less resources themselves by living a minimalist lifestyle. This could include not driving, eating no meat/dairy, living in a very small space, etc.

Also, not sure they said a mad scramble for resources would happen, only that there will be less in the future due to high usage now.

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Post ID: @kko+1lERk3qk

South Korea has pretty much no natural resources...not sure that's the place to be if/when this theoretical mad scramble for resources happens.

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