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Honest question. Why do the middle managers have so few reports?

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If they had anymore reportees the 1 on 1s would cut into their golf time

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Post ID: @hdpz+1lSJKUu8

Cisco realizes this is a problem but it is getting better. This has been a challenge as our company has grown in the past. We call this "span of control" and that was one of the items we worked to help address in the last layoff. You'll see a lot of middle leadership removed or consolidated to increase the span of control.

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Post ID: @6tgl+1lSJKUu8

"Honest question. Why do the middle managers have so few reports?"

  • Empire building. Sr Directors that are fighting for the VP promotion, create multiple small departments to make them appear more important.
  • Added bureaucracy. Buffers/protects VPs and Sr Directors from potential issues
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Post ID: @6sym+1lSJKUu8
Honest question. Why do the middle managers have so few reports?

On this website here, you get only bogus answers. If you are interested in an actual answer then ask your manager.

I think that makes a great question for your next 1:1. Ask your manager for his and his manager's duties. I believe there is nothing wrong in you trying to understand your reporting chain.

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Post ID: @6nxt+1lSJKUu8

Directors and VPs are the bigger problem. That's where you need to focus your ire.

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Post ID: @5qkg+1lSJKUu8

These days a director does what an average project manager was doing 10 years go - Organize one team meeting a week and ask status to each (usually 2 or 3) reports.

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Post ID: @1rkc+1lSJKUu8

Creation of buddy jobs. A VP will make a few golf buddies into directors with few reports. It’s who you know, not what you know. Never forget that. Someone once said that at Cisco, a technical engineering company (meant to be) lets not forget, there are more 2x as many VPs than there are principle engineers.

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Post ID: @1gdp+1lSJKUu8
Middle managers probably wonder why there are so many engineers working simultaneously on a product.

I worked high enough up to work with them directly. "What's for lunch" and "when is my tee time?" were their major sources of wonder. Having more indirect servants is just more bragging rights as long as the dashboard lights stay green. Trust me, the golf is good because they'll never add positive value and keeping them out of the office minimizes the damage they can cause. G-d help the rest of you who live in states with bad weather.

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Post ID: @1hto+1lSJKUu8

I have 19 reports in Rtp

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Post ID: @1zci+1lSJKUu8

I have 13 directs.

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Post ID: @1pci+1lSJKUu8
Honest question. Why do the middle managers have so few reports?

Middle managers probably wonder why there are so many engineers working simultaneously on a product.

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Post ID: @zel+1lSJKUu8

Because we are all in The Matrix.

It's good that you are questioning these things. Some people schlep through a job their entire lives without realizing something is amiss.

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Post ID: @czq+1lSJKUu8

Because nobody seems to care. There are countless directors with just one or two reports.

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