Achieving equality of outcome requires forcing employees to play by different rules. Trying to equalize outcomes requires the company treat people unequally. When more than 50% of engineering graduates are [insert demographic] then one should expect to hire and promote more than 50% of that demographic.
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I have seen racism in EM ranking.
HR moves minorities around after ranking completed.
HR admits to this.
After ranking session completed, I saw a barely competent minority moved to the top of a rank list above all the team members that performed measurably better and ranked higher in the ranking session.
Purely racist ranking manipulation by HR.
If we were brutally honest, we would not use the broad category of "minorities" to make a point regarding so called discrimination against all minorities (non-white).
Call a spade a spade and admit that the there is only one minority race pushing/shoving the fallacy about being "discriminated." Bottom line is this race of people have had the most (longest) opportunities in this country to make something of themselves and advance their status in life. Case in point, just look at the more recent immigrants (legal & illegal) that have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and are doing very well.
For at least a few decades now, major corporations like XOM and other entities have been bending over backwards to give us the opportunity (via quotas) to compete unfairly against more qualified people. Yet, we have squandered away those opportunities for advancement, and here we are today still playing the race card and moping around complaining about the boogeyman of inequality and discrimination.
Time to get off the porch, and make something of ourselves instead of being a perpetual victim.....I KNOW I DID, and others can too, only if they chose to do so.
GLTA regardless of RACE!
@4rjh+1lWaMUHz the reason the Asians don't play the excuse card (AKA Race Card) is because they know that they succeed by hard work and making lots of sacrifices.
@3psq+1lWaMUHz and his ilk never leaves the imaginary plantation they are living on and will keep using racism as their proverbial crutch for failure!
they have to work twice as hard as others to in order for them and thei
Never hear Asians complaining about being victims. You know. Because they haven’t ever been discriminated against. We don’t need quotas or affirmative action based on race or gender. We need to promote based on competence.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/injustice-japanese-americans-internment-camps-resonates-strongly-180961422/
https://www.history.com/topics/19th-century/chinese-exclusion-act-1882
@3psq+1lWaMUHz Awesome! So you would support racial quotas for the NBA and NFL? There is still hope for the white players after all.
Tell me more about what’s in vogue please? Your breath smells like you say “woke” derisively 87 times a day.
@3psq, you are absolutely correct in saying your color (Black, White, etc.) solely doesn't affect your performance.
However, if a person is in a role at EM only because of their color, we should also have quotas in professional sports, which would enable a 5' tall, talentless, old & obese person to play in the interest of fairness, equality, etc. etc.
Bottom line is, it should be a purely merit based system that all of us should be measured by, regardless of where you work (NBA or EM).
Oh BTW, calling someone a "racist" may be in vogue for now, but will soon become very passe when people start using logic in an illogical world!
Well racist, short generally affects your performance in basketball, whereas black doesn’t in office work. But your analogy was snappy and works if you don’t take three seconds to think about it.
I’m waiting for equal representation in the NBA and NFL. Where is my affirmative action? Why shouldn’t I be able to be an NBA player just because I was born short?
“ Maybe you should ask yourself why women, minorities are under represented in executive ranks, managerial ranks and overarching population to begin with...? “
Easy. Because women are different from men. As for minorities the Asian minorities seem to be doing quite well in spite of severe discrimination in the past. Culture apparently matters.
Ah yes, OP is another "I don't understand how systemic racism works. It must be the insidious WOKE" guy. Can't wait for loser like you to be marched out of the door so adults can go back to making this corporation profitable through the energy transition.
As a straight white man I never knew how much I was discriminated against until I started reading the whiners on this board. Am I obligated to use the term work in every other sentence now? I want to make sure I fit in.
White male here:, and not a youngster, but lets be real: When someone says, "I don't care about what race, s-x, se-ual orientation is associated with someone, all I care is to find the best". This assumes we have objective processes and unbiased people to make decisions. The truth: 90% of the people saying this have strong biases themselves, and 99% of them are white. Be honest!
BEST PLAYER PLAYS...........$krew everything else!
Exhausted from all the reverse discrimination conversations
For over 120 years, when the company overwhelming recruited and promoted white males only because of the choice of schools we recruited from, family connections, bias in promotion and retention etc ...not one complaint!
Its similar to folks that complain in U.S. politics about the 'good ole' time in our country (50s, 60s) - and absolutely clueless how "bad" it was for others in that same period
Have you ever sat down and listened to the stories of minorities especially the first wave of Americans Americans who joined the company in the mid -late 80s. Approach one of them, and you would actually understand what racism is... and not this fallacy of reverse racism that's only meant to achieve equity.
Maybe you should ask yourself why women, minorities are under represented in executive ranks, managerial ranks and overarching population to begin with...?
...So much for double standards - please get over yourself
Yes definitely discrimination against White males, Asians, and those from the Middle East. If blacks (male and female) are 13% of the population but less than 1% of Engineering students, how could they represent more than 1% of Engineers at Exxon without it being discrimination? Look at the demographics of Engineering schools (the real schools). The majority of students are males consisting of Asians, White, and Middle Eastern. Whenever anyone sees a black person in Engineering, Doctor, Dentist, Pilot, etc. they assume (correctly most of the time) that the persons ONLY qualification was the color of their skin. This is unfortunate for people who are qualified such as Dr. Ben Carson, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, and Clarence Thomas to name a few. Where are the DEI na-is when it comes to the NFL and NBA? Why are Hispanics, Asians, Middle Eastern, and Whites grossly underrepresented in these businesses?
Practically all the promotions are reserved for young diversity employees. Just wait for this rank cycle - more reverse discrimination to protect diversity employees from pips
If you think you have a case for systematic & widespread discrimination…..
Hire an attorney and take it to court.
I don’t see anything in your post that any judge worthy of the robe wouldn’t toss on sight.
“Equality of Outcome Being Forced”
Do you people ever get tired of flogging imaginary grievances?
Anyone who thinks that something like “equality of outcome” is a problem probably isn’t in the workforce.
https://www.sss.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/WhoMustRegisterChart.pdf
Read the last two rows of the table.
The woke crowd would say parents shouldn’t read to their children or help them with their homework since it could give them an unfair advantage in life.