Thread regarding Ford layoffs

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That all sounds like a good thing.

Ford is doing the same thing - eliminating all of the older workforce.

Replacing them with young employees who will work more hours for less money. Lack of experience doesn't matter. Have you seen the quality on most Teslas? The fit and finish is laughable compared to the Detroit Three. But Tesla still charges a premium and people are happy to pay it.

You don't have to like it, but people like you are being phased out of auto manufacturing as old mechanical processes begin sharing space with new tech and software.

I work at Tesla in Fremont. Elon expects 12+ hours a day - and makes it clear to everyone that if you do not work those hours then you are not a 'team player'. It is a company filled with young and inexperienced people who work for a couple of years and then leave when they want to get married or have children. If you are older and want a work life balance then Tesla is not for you. I hear that SpaceX is even worse.

If you don't work at Tesla, then you should not talk about Tesla.

Another fun fact about that Chicago plant and the decades long problems - Ford didn't even can the Plant Manager who was leading the place for years. They sent him back to Canada (where he was from) to lead the assembly plant there.

It was years later when a certain Executive VP was terminated due to 'inappropriate behavior' that they abruptly canned that plant manager.

This lack of action on senior leadership's part is pathetic...

Remember The NY Times expose on Ford Chicago plant? Remember how that has been going on for decades and still is? And not just in the Chicago plant.

@5wun+1lYuBJ7X Dude I could care less about Elon’s politics. I look at his output and his intelligence. He has elegant well designed vehicles. Watch some of Sandy’s youtube videos where he disassembles vehicles. Tesla’s are like an iPhone, elegant purposeful design. Fords are a rat’s nest of cobbled together parts.
Then listen to interviews where Elon can clearly articulate engineering challenges and how his teams work to solve them. Compare that to Farley who can barely manage marketing sound bites.
Any engineer worth a lick can see which design and company will win; assuming a level playing field. Fords game plan is to try to influence legislation to put Tesla at a disadvantage.

I could do without Elon’s polarizing antics, just as I could do without Farley’s and DF hot air.

Also could care less about RTO. I live within walking distance of work so it’s no skin off my back to stroll over to the office, or not. And stroll back home to escape the office antics and get some work done.

IDK much about Tesla, but it seems, by what I have read online, the company pays well and pays OT at 1.5 times. Now I can speak first hand how Ford treats its employees. In general, no OT pay is allowed for white collars at Ford, but the GSRs are burdened with tasks while managers expect their subordinates use their personal time for free to accomplish these tasks.

A friend of mine complaints that he is regularly forced to trade his weekend time to fix things and then take time off during the week at 1:1. Of course, he prefers enjoying 4 hours on a Sunday afternoon with his family, than starting to work later on a Monday, and he is completely right.

Then go work for Elon. Who you hated when you thought he was a lib. Why don't you apply to his companies? Not one of you ever will. Weak... You would rather complain about RTO and having to work hard.

Quit crying and work harder.

Naw what the poster is pointing out is 80% of Ford salaried are on Ford corporate welfare, which includes the Ford management stack. Either they all should go, or shut up about Elon making his workers work. But as we all know @ Ford the contributors are cut while the welfare pigs remain at the trough and pretend to be matches for Elon’s abilities.

So just to be clear - you agree when Elon forces Tesla employees to work crazy hours but you disagree when Ford forces employees to work crazy hours?

Like MAGA said - quit crying and work harder.

We don't care about your feelings.

You better be grateful to have a job at all around here.

And you can apply to work for Elot any time you like. He has it figured out. Work em till they drop and then replace em. It's exactly how I run my department at Ford. Sure, the 6s and GSRs complain, but my group far exceeds expectations year over year and my bonus is incredible.

This is typical for startups ‘ Elon expects his corporate employees to work 12 to 16 hours each day’. And you will note this is only true during critical launch periods and problem solving periods. And that he then gives employees paid time off to compensate.

There are Ford LL6 who force their GSRs thru year long death-marches of 7 day 16 hour workweeks for no reason other than to make themselves look good to their superiors. The Ford management tree and HR look the other way and then when pressed claim all the GSRs volunteered for the death-marches and the LL6 did nothing wrong.

@ 5phj. Disabling Substack is not as bad as disabling conservative viewpoints.

Elon expects his corporate employees to work 12 to 16 hours each day. And work weekends. No work life balance at all.

In the UAW we would not stand for that.

That's why we are helping Tesla manufacturing to unionize as quickly as possible.

"Free speech absolutist" (is that something like a "hard conservative"?) Elon Musk censors substack on Twitter

Elon Musk’s Twitter is now disabling comments, likes, and retweets for tweets containing links to Substack, a popular writing and newsletter platform. Self-proclaimed “free speech absolutist” Musk may be censoring Substack to launch a competing product from Twitter.

Now, whenever users try to comment, like, or retweet any tweet with a Substack link, they are unable to do so.

Crazy times when people are calling someone who doesn't 100% (Musk is 50% free speech) support anti first amendment government censorship in the CCP/Soviet style a "hard conservative"... Musk just supports the certain amount of free speech his corrupt government handlers script for him to distract from the fact Twitter and the social media world are still fascist ant first amendment propaganda mills controlled by communists.

Elon is what I would call controlled opposition and a fed plant into the social media crime scene.....

Ford will be able to sell 100k EV per year by 2026. Ford will loose $6 billions during the next 3 years trying to sell up to 100 thousand EV. It's a money loosing business.

Ford needs to go back to the drawing board!!!

Making vehicles the old fashion way is not how we do it anymore.

@4tkn+1lYuBJ7X disagree on Tesla being an awful place to work. It is definitely a face paced, demanding work place where fools are not suffered. If you are a hard worker intent on perfecting your skills, then Tesla is perfect for you. In contrast Ford has a high of a percentage of salaried non-contributors which would never be tolerated at Tesla.

Now do Tesla vehicles have some quality issues, sure they do especially some of their earlier models. Let’s keep this in perspective Tesla manufactured its first vehicle in 2008. Ford manufactured its first vehicle in 1903. The real question is why does Ford with 120 years of vehicle manufacturing experience have such poor quality? Shouldn’t the quality be dialed in by now in comparison to a company with 12 years of manufacturing experience? It is actually quite remarkable what Tesla has accomplished in the past 12 years.

Now I would not buy a Tesla, but neither do I buy a Ford anymore. Toyota and Honda have the quality, reliability, safety and affordability that drive my purchasing decisions.

You must be new here, Guy...

This entire forum HATED Elon with a passion. They thought he was selling expensive toys to rich hippies and tree huggers who only wanted to show off their Liberal agenda.

The exact moment that Elon started showing his hard Conservative views, this entire forum flipped and started to worship him.

He still makes expensive toys that nobody on this forum could afford or use - but they love him because he hates the same things and people that they hate.

You people can't be seriously holding Tesla up on a pedestal?!

They are an awful company to work for that makes products with awful quality that are priced in the stratosphere where libs with more money than sense buy them.

I hope Ford NEVER becomes like Tesla.

Let's talk when Ford or GM can outpace Tesla in EV sales.

I think Tesla just has a lot of built up reputation. Their quality is nothing to bead about. I own multiple Teslas and they are 100k+ per vehicle with very poor fit and finish. If they don't improve their quality soon, their sales will take a dip. Also, now that Elon is showing his true colors, his customer base is shifting.

“The Price of a Used Ford F-150 Lightning Has Plunged”

Todays Barton’s headline.

GM makes the Chevy Bolt, which targets the type of person who wants to save on gas (not a truck or muscle car - at least not yet). They still make the Chevy Volt (hybrid). Ford discontinued their C-Max.

People want the trucks to tow and haul and muscle cars for their power. GM made the smarter move.

@2mho+1lYuBJ7X It seems the tortoise is just road ki-l by the hare driving a Tesla. Even GM, another tortoise, is outselling us in BEVs. At this point, Ford looks more like an snail, because even tortoise can beat us to the finish line. Do we have to wait another 120 years for Ford to get its sh-t together?

Y'all need to remember the tortoise and the hair - remember in life its not always the fastest out of the gate that wins. Ford has made it clear "our" strategy is one with the tortoise where "we" take a slow, steady, calculated and methodical approach to the EV realm. Just wait a few more years to see how the tortoise ultimately prevails......

We're #3! We're #3!

Customers understand the value of reliable, affordable, and performance in the ICE and EV markets. Only Fords senior management is surprised that we are in third place behind Tesla and GM. They have to be concerned that their gaslighting of the public will be revealed shortly and put them in the spotlight to be fired after wasting billions of dollars.

Yeah, well I am pretty sure our Ford leaders are taller than those GM leaders!

GM also outpaces Ford in Global DEI...

Good job model e team. Farley near term goal of ford 2nd largest ev oem was short lived.

10k for the quarter?!?

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So we are spending money building annual capacity of 150,000 for a vehicle we might sell 50,000 annually. Ford logic and taxpayer money.

For every EV Ford sold, Tesla sold 21 EV. GM and Ford can not sell 100,000 EV per year, because most people don't trust the quality and their vehicles sucks.

We used to cancel vehicles that sold only 10,000 per quarter.