Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

Prediction

If you look at Q4 margins….can they really get better? Profits are being sacrificed for revenue. It is a sign that there is too much inventory, but also a sign the products are uncompetitive.

2023-2025 will be the “great leaning”. But still there is no way Intel can run as efficient as the comp. Start with the headcount, inflated salaries at G9 and above. The fact that we will have to offer a sharp price for companies to even pick them over TSMC. With no customers it just becomes harder to believe.

The goal probably is for Pat to do the best he can for the fabs before splitting them off. Get them as many customers etc as they can. But it is likely when that happens they become the next global foundries.

Intel is lopsided when you have grade 9 mbas with no clue in the BUs and PHD engineers at grade 8 for a decade. Not sure if there is a lot that can be done.

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In the immortal words of Mr T : Prediction? PAIN.

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Post ID: @2bil+1ljax7Eo

Uncompetitive products -> low to negative profits -> unable to invest and recruit for the next gen -> more uncompetitive products.

This is the downward spiral AMD was stuck in for decades. Looks like Intel has become old AMD.

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Post ID: @1hfn+1ljax7Eo

Rising tide lifts all boats. If at all market recovers, even a boat like Intel with it’s bottom broken will get a lift also. But AmD & apple will do much better and Intel will continue to lose market share

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Post ID: @byl+1ljax7Eo

Intel 10nm is equivalent to 7nm competition - hence why it's called Intel 7. The reason none of you work at Intel anymore is because you don't even understand the company or the product lines. 13th gen client is taking back market share. Sapphire looks amazing. Sorry haters.

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Post ID: @wbi+1ljax7Eo

@fvc+1ljax7Eo you’re gaaay

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Post ID: @jaa+1ljax7Eo

The whole business is broken, missed the turning point about ten years ago. Today they are in a worse position than GF. To big and must continue to supply 150M competitive CPUs totally a rock and hard place situation.

Today intel 10nm is two generations behind AMD and Nvidia and three generations behind Apple. Any HPC company can go to foundry for superior PPAC on TSMC 3 or 5nm. TSMC makes all of Apples smartphones, tablets and computers than you add Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm volume and you have fans and volume that give it scale, cost efficiencies that Intel can never approach. Once they missed mobile and then refused to invest five years ago they were finished. The pandemic only delayed and hit the total broken IDM, the IFS is a joke as it can’t ever compete with TSMC.

Even if Intel ever gets their 4nm yielding their volumes and yield learning is 3 years behind TSMC and their costs will be uncompetitive. Intel says it will have leadership but so what a little smaller a little earlier isn’t enough as the Foundry will be good enough with scale and efficiencies and steam roll any little advantage Intel might have with PPA with the C side. Intel can try with price and lose money, what a strategy

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Post ID: @dkm+1ljax7Eo

"prediction"
signed,
"thing I'm butthurt about that brought me to this website"

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