Why aren't major employers in these cities telling the mayors of these cities they will leave unless they are made safe? This makes no sense to me. Employees in these cities should protest and not go into the office. And when their managers ask them why, they should be told its NOT SAFE. Employees in these cities should be allowed to work remote 100% till the city officials make the streets safe again. I rode Bart recently and it was something like out of a nightmare, you're far safer in the 3rd world. Employees should revolt and demand safety, Charlie needs to speak up.
24 replies (most recent on top)
Whole Foods opened and closed a store there in less than a year just the other day. Said it was unsafe to do business in San Francisco for their employees. There's a mass wave of business leaving.
Yet, you go out to dinner, shop, etc. in those same cities. Cherry picking when crime is an issue. Just be a grown up and admit that you just want to stay home in your sweatpants and do minimal amount of work.
Charlie is not the one that would have to pose questions to SF or NY. Dimon would in effect do that, and let Charlie know what he finds out. Only THEN would Charlie make his "informed" decision on RTO.
https://youtu.be/HrVfWh1QTKU
Check this out, just yesterday. A brutal as--ult of former S.F. fire commissioner. This is a daily situation. People shouldn't be asking Charlie to work remote in these locations, they need to simply work remote because their safety is at risk. If their manager calls them out, send them video's like this and say its not safe. When no one shows up to office management will get the hint, we're in control 100%, management is zero without us.
Look at the Des Moines crowd trying to throw punches at the coasts and failing miserably.
The only thing that lists points out is that locations where gangs are there's lots of crime and the stats go up. NY and SF have changed and people have noticed, they're completely unsafe and the stats prove it. Women are getting ra--d on trains while other riders just turn and pretend its not happening. Old Asian women are getting their faces punched in by 280 pound animals. Stores are leaving in droves because of safety and theft concerns. Its getting so bad the DEI crowd are even fleeing to conservative white suburbs, which is funny because they're not wanted or welcome there. Its not spoken often but no one with any intelligence will be going back to these places without some major changes to safety. Charlie is supposed to be a leader but he sure doesn't show signs of it.
the list says it all. people tend to focus and the total numbers instead of normalizing with per capita which while CA and NY may have more crime from a total number of events, on a per Capita basis there are a lot of worse places.
@1hll+1m2TCpEi This post makes no sense. Because a VP made a law when they were in state government WE voted for it? Is everyone on this board in CA now?
I grew up in NY Metro area and have been going to NYC for decades. The only reason anyone thinks these cities are any less safe than they have other been is the proliferation of news coverage. The first rule of news: if it bleeds it leads!
Case in point: The Bee Gees song Stayin’ Alive - from the 70s - is about what bad shape NYC was in. Things are exponentially better as far as crime goes. The people who disagree don’t look at the facts and are victims of the news cycle.
Per Forbes, the most dangerous cities in America:
St. Louis, Missouri
Mobile, Alabama
Birmingham, Alabama
Baltimore, Maryland
Memphis, Tennessee
Detroit, Michigan
Cleveland, Ohio
New Orleans, Louisiana
Shreveport, Louisiana
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Little Rock, Arkansas
Oakland, California
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Kansas City, Missouri
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us-crime-in-america/?sh=4c0c00044b25
@shc+1m2TCpEi is 100% correct! Time we started taking care of each other. I challenge everyone who isn't doing so already to get involved in your local community the best you can. Whether you donate time,money or other resources (ex: write to your representatives about issues important to you).
Additionally, corporations are not giving up all that real estate. Unfortunately when those buildings sit empty crime goes up, local businesses close due to no customers, property managers (CBRE) lose money. We also get tax breaks for being in certain cities. Not a chance WF is walking away from that.
I'm also beyond grateful for my disability that gave me a WFH medical accommodation.
Is a complicated issue, but we have to start somewhere. We can all start in hopes grassroots efforts will grow.
California Penal Code 459.5 describes the crime of shoplifting as entering an open business during their normal hours with intent to steal merchandise valued at $950 or less. PC 459.5 shoplifting is stealing items valued at under $950 and a misdemeanor crime.
By downgrading robbery from a felony (which carries mandatory jail sentences) to a misdemeanor, you have emboldened the perpetrators. The Police are powerless to do their jobs.
The former Attorney General who is currently the Vice President of the United States forced this law upon us. Good luck San Francisco, New York, Portland, Chicago, etc. Don't complain, you voted for this.
Charlie is entirely safe so there's no need for him to talk to the mayor about safety. He doesn't give an S if YOU are safe or not. Let's face it, dead employees don't get a severance.
Probably because New York City is one of the safest cities in America.
Sure SF isn't in the top 15 safest but it also isn't in any of the red states that dominate the bottom of that ranking.
Those w/ money and power in this country must come together to lead and reduce the problems. Everyone who supports these people/companies with money and votes should hold all sides more accountable and demand a reality check. The accelerated move away from intellect and quality in politics, media and consumerism has made too many people near sighted. Everything is d-mbed down to the point of forgetting what real debate and what real solutions are.
The comment "I don't feel safe in the city" is valid while also being very subjective and not exclusive to current times. One can just as much say "I don't feel safe in rural areas" with the same result.
Very badly we have to break the cycle, collectively it is the responsibility of those top 1500 super wealthy American families, those top corporations ki-ling this planet while printing money and those lobbyist-loving local, state, federal public servants.
This is a really d-mb post.
I live in the SF Bay and I don't consider SF a safe environment for going to work.
People who are used to living and working in cities are not afraid to walk down the street. They are not afraid of every homeless person they see sleeping in a doorway.
They do know how to keep their eyes and ears open, some do carry mace or stun g-ns. They are not naive. But they don’t live in fear on a daily basis and no, the shots of San Francisco and New York you see on Tucker Carlson’s show are not representative of the actual cities.
Take a picture of the worst back alley in any city in any state in the Union, claim the whole city looks like that, and you can make any city look like a hellhole.
Even the red ones.
Isle of Palms is one of the nicest areas in South Carolina. Yesterday some black teens got into an argument in the middle of the day at that beach and six people were shot.
G-ns are not the problem in our nation.
It’s time to wake up.
These same problems everyone talks about always existed and always evolve on a scale. There are highs and lows, the lows today are a reflection of today's triple whammy: companies closing offices due to economic uncertainty, prevalence of hybrid/remote work and social injustices. There is a hollowing out/abandonment of active human participation and resulting tax loss that is straining municipalities.
What is bothersome about all of this is that it doesn't have to be this way. There is a significant amount of selfishness in private entities where profitability is a default reward no matter the cost. The thinking should be that attaining profitability is a reward for fulfilling the socio-economic needs of a society. Instead it's companies hoarding cash and pleasing shareholders while not doing nearly enough to partner with municipalities to resolve societal problems together.
But somehow I sound anti-capitalistic by suggesting profits are terms-of-agreement based, not a default reward.
For the sheer amount of excess profitability we have seen in various industries (fossil fuels, technology, retail goods, pharmaceuticals, etc) it is clear we have enough money to solve societal problems together, what is lacking is a willingness to find a way to use that money as a win-win for everyone.
The finger pointing on this city/mayor or that smelly homeless person on a bus/train or hand picking out a stabbing/mu---r of one known person is myopic beyond myopic thinking.
We all agree where the problems are but everyone thinks it is someone else's problem to solve. Ridiculous. The divisions today will tear an empire out from the inside out. There is a better way, we need a fundamental change in what we truly value and what truly matters.
No this is not socialism in disguise, this is simply saying that maybe, just maybe capitalism can start to come down to earth from that constant dopamine rush of expected excess profitability that Edward Bernays helped to ignite back in the early 1900's. The guy single handedly changed capitalism forever and we need a movie about him asap. But now we need to get back to our fundamental roots of taking care of each other again, being kinder to ourselves and our communities and solve the real problems together.
Since when did companies, esp WF, care about the welfare of employees!?? They never have, never will.
I don’t know why this is downvoted so much, I would absolutely refuse to RTO in any major city.
Why red states were brought up shows the paid propaganda here, once you look at the demographics in those red states you’ll see what areas have the real problems.
It’s not the white areas.
How much longer will we avoid the problem?
Let's face it. All red states are dumps with no reason to visit or move there. The residents are programmed to keep voting against their own interests and elect clowns that use corny scare tactics to get elected and get all their campaign money from rich donors in blue states.
You ever ride mass transit in Dallas? The Irving Hub literally smells like a sewer and the whole city has a dystopian haze over it that brings out the worst in people. I’m surprised we haven’t had an incident yet. I’m the office is a powder keg just getting ready to pop.
If an employee gets ki-led, he doesn't have to pay severance.