Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

We need fedualism not liberalism in our company

We need leaders who respect those employees who have the feudal loyalty with their sacrifice instead of those who work only for money. For example, when the time is good, a front desk young girl can make 800 while old employees can make 1000. Thus this young girl didn't feel the necessity to invest time to improve herself, while the old employee would rather to work overtime to learn new technologies and help difficulties. Then at the difficult time, the old employee would rather receive little money and struggle with company while the young girl not. Normal and wise owner of the company will know who to choose stay and who to choose left go.

I hope we have normal leaders know the common senses treasure ones who deserve. We can't become the next those light beer companies.

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3) sadly, DEI aren’t distractions when you’re trying to get into a good school or being seen by a doctor that only got into med school because of diversity hires.

It must be worse to have a doctor who got lower grades than those diversity hires!

I don't know about med school but there were competitive engineering programs that disposed of more than half their students by the end of the sophomore year so getting in and finishing aren't always the same thing.

I'm also curious if any of the kids in the college admissions scandal were allowed to continue in college and if they passed where others who were admitted honestly didn't.

Then there were the dropouts like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, etc... Clearly they weren't going to amount to anything!

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The whole "DEI" and what losers call "woke policies" are distractions to entertain customers demanding more social justice. In reality, the top rulers in Silicon Valley are males who choose conservative candidates because they know the conservative policies will mean less taxes and more money for THEM. The real elite.

How many untruths in so few lines? 1) I’ve never had a customer “demand social Justice” (whatever that is). 2) Silicon Valley is one of the most progressive parts of the country. California hasn’t had a senior conservative since Gov Reagan (please, don’t mention Arnie). 3) sadly, DEI aren’t distractions when you’re trying to get into a good school or being seen by a doctor that only got into med school because of diversity hires.

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Post ID: @4exk+1mIJ234c
The feudalist model died in the 90s when Lou Gerstner took over IBM.

I gave you an upvote for the rest but it started with Neutron Jack at GE in the 1980s when he silently laid off 100,000 of 400,000 employees without getting major media attention. For those too young to remember the cold war "neutron" referred to a neutron bo-b which would get rid of people while leaving the buildings standing. Before then if you worked at GE you were employed for life and you called the company Generous Electric.

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Post ID: @3tmr+1mIJ234c

The feudalist model died in the 90s when Lou Gerstner took over IBM. Your loyalty is expected, but not reciprocated by companies whose only goal is to maximize shareholder value and fill the pockets of the CEOs and CxOs. Employees are expendable.

The whole "DEI" and what losers call "woke policies" are distractions to entertain customers demanding more social justice. In reality, the top rulers in Silicon Valley are males who choose conservative candidates because they know the conservative policies will mean less taxes and more money for THEM. The real elite. Not you whining little working bees.

You and all of us are expendable. That's wild savage capitalism. Isn't that what you wanted?

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Post ID: @3cew+1mIJ234c
Maybe this is why you don't see many 50+ year old individual contributors at publicly traded companies?

There are a few technical leadership roles which require a highly capable individual contributor but the majority of work done by individual contributors at most big companies can be done with someone with 5 years experience. At a really good small company where you have to wear many hats on your first project (customer interface, system designer, coder, tester, project manager) you can get those skills in far less time.

There aren't many companies that see the value in keeping older people who do those lower level jobs better than others and pay "somewhat more than a low level wage" for a career and there aren't many employees who never grow beyond that skill level who want to work for "somewhat more than a low level wage" at 50. In most cases both sides actively repel each other and ultimately those employees are priced out of the market.

It's worse in a world like software where the language and framework of the week changes frequently and you're at a company that's ten generations behind, at which point it's very easy to end up with less ability to contribute than someone with 5 years experience.

To insure I'll get down voted, I'll point out again when you play the role of consumer if you could get the same level of service for $100K/yr or $150K/yr which would you buy?

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Post ID: @3tbl+1mIJ234c

You might like a book by anthropologist David Graeber with a title more overt than " Jobs" which describes a range of jobs that really shouldn't exist. The Youtube video titled "Your Job Achieves Nothing... (probably) - How Money Works" gives a good summary for 10 minutes at normal speed. The discussion in the video about worker hoarding in the Soviet Union is particularly interesting given that was a reason given by some of the FAANG companies for having too many employees and why they could lay off people without severe business consequences.

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Low IQ employees don't understand the concept of inflation or compete for stock grants/promotions. A few years ago, I read an article on how large American institutions are filled with 3 layers of employees

  • Predators
  • Clueless
  • Losers

Each layer of employee is necessary to support the compensation and power structure. Maybe this is why you don't see many 50+ year old individual contributors at publicly traded companies?

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Post ID: @2pyk+1mIJ234c
Cisco uses woke as a method to distract low IQ employees. It works very well.

The thinking class wonders why low IQ employees are distracted rather than laid off.

As an employee do you want to work with low or high IQ employees?

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ps: The Ford Foundation only donates to countries that would significantly benefit Cisco if their economies improve. Follow the money.

Don't fall for divide & distract non-sense that every Management Consultant is taught. Corporations and executives do not care about social issues or woke stuff. If the CEO brings up the Border Wall or immigration it's to distract from our failed acquisitions.

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Post ID: @1eqy+1mIJ234c

Woke sphere? Cisco outsources jobs to countries without labor laws. Don't forget about all the full-time jobs eliminated and replaced with cheap contractors.

Cisco uses woke as a method to distract low IQ employees. It works very well.

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Post ID: @1mmv+1mIJ234c

Larry Fink (Blackrock) weilds an unusual amount of power in the world. Check the Blackrock BOD and guess who you'll see there. Also Check the Ford Foundation Board of Trustees and guess who you'll see there too. A visit to the FF website tells you all you need to know about it's narrative...this is where CSCO's woke originates. CSCO needs to be taken over by someone out of the woke sphere in order to become what is needed to be...

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Post ID: @1tjf+1mIJ234c

tl;dr: people should give their lives to the company without expecting to be paid.

Nice try ELT.

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Post ID: @ogl+1mIJ234c

Ride the snake, to the ancient lake.

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Post ID: @cwx+1mIJ234c

We need union at Bay Area tech companies !!

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Post ID: @kmv+1mIJ234c

How Now Brown Cow

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