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Seeking Alpha - Verizon: Black Swan Risk

Verizon: Black Swan Risk
Jun. 04, 2023 8:00 AM

Summary
Verizon continues to face the threat of a tech giant entering the domestic wireless space.
The wireless giant has seen their net debt level swell to over $150 billion just as another competitive 5G wireless network hits the market.
The stock will struggle to produce solid returns with the increasing competitive threats despite a large 7.6% dividend yield.

The biggest risk to the Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ) investment story has always been the entry of a tech giant into the wireless space. The wireless giant already faces an overly competitive market with 3 5G networks and the entry of another network partnered with a tech company like Amazon (AMZN) would be highly troubling. My investment thesis remains Neutral on the stock with the rumored entry of Amazon into the domestic wireless services space offsetting any benefits of the large 7.6% dividend yield.

Amazon Threat
For years now, the market has rumored that Amazon will start offering wireless services as part of a package to Prime members. The online retail giant has long been linked to working with DISH Network (DISH) on their 5G network.

As with any business Amazon enters, the company offers the service for marginal prices in order to attract users to the e-commerce site to purchase other goods. The Bloomberg report suggests Amazon might only charge a nominal cost of $10 a month, but the company hasn't apparently held any successful negotiations with a US carrier like Verizon, T-Mobile (TMUS) or DISH.

Any such entry into the wireless space could turn into a black swan event for Verizon. While such an event is usually unexpected and Amazon selling wireless services wouldn't be a major shock, the stock doesn't trade like such an outcome is probable.

An Amazon spokesperson didn't appear to really shoot down the concept of a cheap wireless plan for Prime members with this statement to the media:

We are always exploring adding even more benefits for Prime members, but don’t have plans to add wireless at this time.

The problem facing Verizon is that too much spectrum exists outside the major wireless networks. Amazon can either utilize one of the major 5G networks or work with DISH to launch their 5G network and draw customers away from Verizon and AT&T. Verizon has the most mmWave spectrum needed from the fastest wireless service, but DISH and U.S. Cellular combine to nearly match Verizon.

DISH has until June 2025 to meet 5G network buildout requirements of covering 75% of each of its spectrum license areas with 5G. As part of the agreement with the DoJ due to the deal with T-Mobile, the company has until this month to cover 70% of the US population with its 5G network.

The satellite service is struggling mightily and wants to push out network spending due to the additional costs of $2 to $3 billion to meet the 2025 network buildout requirements. Amazon floating a potential deal with the other wireless providers might be a negotiating tactic for garnering a more favorable deal with DISH.

Either way, DISH has a 5G network heading towards coverage of 70% of the US population and it's already contributing to the weakness at Version. The company has 7.9 million retail wireless subscribers, but the business is struggling having lost 81K during Q1'23 alone.

Hidden Weakness
The big problem facing Verizon is that the wireless giant has struggled to grow revenues and profits without the aggressive entry of a tech giant. DISH has the 5G network effectively built out, but the company could really use a larger backer like Amazon to fully build out the 5G spectrum and actually compete.

Verizon offers a 7.6% dividend now with the stock dip, but the company reported Q1 sales fell 2% and EPS was down $0.15 from last Q1. The company has had to aggressively spend on their own 5G network to just remain competitive with T-Mobile.

The worse possible outcome is another competitive 5G network, or a competitor offering cheap wholesale wireless services to the like of Amazon. Either outcome appears very likely now.

Even without these general threats, Verizon was already forecast for flat EPS over the next 3 years. Analysts have already cut EPS estimates for 2024 from an original estimate back in mid-2022 up at $5.85 to only $4.72 now.

The risk is that one of these threats pay off and those estimates fall even further while Verizon has a massive debt load. The wireless giant ended March with a net debt balance of $151 billion, which isn't large for their current cash flows. The problem is that Verizon hasn't prepared for a scenario where cash flows slip due to the entry of Amazon or another tech giant with a much better balance sheet into the wireless space

Takeaway
The key investor takeaway is that Verizon still isn't prepared for a black swan event where the company loaded up on debt to build the 5G network and a large competitor like Amazon enters the wireless space with cheap services. Investors should expect meager returns despite the large dividend payout.

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SA left off the likely and probably planned result. Some company swooping in and eating up V. Google may see a threat from Amazon and use them to get in as a carrier. Blackrock may see value in pieces and break up and sell off. The unused spectrum we own is worth more than our debt.

This seems to be the end goal. Push that share value down down down to make it cheaper for a buyer. Betting HV and his cronies have this as their goal. Not shareholder value, not customers, not profit. They are pushing us down to make it easier for a buyer to come in.

If any document or recording came out that showed this, he-l would break loose among shareholders who have already lost a lot.

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Post ID: @1spt+1mXR5XOB

The heir apparent to the baronetcy is the present holder's, the current CEO's, blindness. And also, the present holders', the Board of Directors, which is led by a non-independent Chairman = as to the dual role of the current VZ CEO.

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Post ID: @1iah+1mXR5XOB

Scampath. He sings and dances and tells silly jokes and has people thinking that he has some magic sauce in his empty bag of schemes and tricks. He is just another empty suit who learned his back-slapping smoke-blowing skills in consulting.

Moffet while a tool of cable is no fool and is respected because he also looks at the data and the facts as well as the people behind them. Scampath has media and telecom fraud written all over the packaging for his secret sauces and I will bet that Moffet knows it and now so do all of the other sell-side analysts. This is why the stock is down: Verizon's senior and executive management is a clown show of woke idealogues with weak telecom market knowledge and know-how and weaker leadership skills.

The cat is out of the bag!

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Post ID: @1aca+1mXR5XOB

Sampath was a speaker at the inaugural SVB MoffettNathanson Technology, Media, and Telecom Conference on 5/16/23.
Edited transcript:
https://www.verizon.com/about/sites/default/files/2023-05/MN_Conference_Transcript_051623.pdf

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Post ID: @1khl+1mXR5XOB

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4609263-verizon-black-swan-risk

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Post ID: @1kgk+1mXR5XOB

"MoffettNathanson analysts Craig Moffett is a Comcast and all Cable Hoe! Amazon is Wireless will ki-l cable inroads in wireless. So you can't really rely on his judgment here.

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Post ID: @cba+1mXR5XOB

"The Bloomberg report suggests Amazon might only charge a nominal cost of $10 a month, but the company hasn't apparently held any successful negotiations with a US carrier like Verizon, T-Mobile (TMUS) or DISH."

Oh - this DEFINITELY sounds like the kind of deal Strategies would put together to sell out the company again. It is coming!

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Post ID: @xwc+1mXR5XOB

Verizon will declare bankruptcy.

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Post ID: @fip+1mXR5XOB

Wall Street analysts are skeptical that there is anything actually going on. MoffettNathanson analysts Craig Moffett and Michael Morton wrote in a research note published late Friday that any deal for Amazon to start its own phone service seems highly unlikely. (Moffett covers telecom and Morton covers internet stocks.)

For one thing, Moffett and Morton note that while Amazon could make it happen, the cost to the company of providing even a single line would be about $240 a year—above the annual cost of an Amazon Prime membership, currently at $139. And that’s just for one line—the costs would multiply with bigger families.

Another issue, they add, is that Amazon would suddenly be subject to regulation from the FCC. They point out that customer information is more tightly regulated in telecom than in related industries. That adds more risk to Amazon’s existing regulatory worries. “Even a minimal risk like this would be a deal breaker, in our view,” they write.

From a telecom perspective, the analysts also pour cold water on any potential deal. As for Dish Network, Moffett and Morton write, “there is virtually no chance…that Amazon would allow itself to play guinea pig on a start-up Dish wireless network.” Dish did not respond to a request for comment about the report.

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Post ID: @zxh+1mXR5XOB

Once the cash flow takes a hit, it's game over for Verizon.

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Post ID: @mma+1mXR5XOB

Amazon, antitrust, coming soon. Decomposition, breakup, of Amazon. Groceries, pharmacy, cloud computing, and what else.

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