Hello, if you were laid off by Ford in August 2022, can you reapply to positions or is there a wait time?
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When I was SIRP'd last August, I was annoyed at the 'can't come back' clause.
At the time, I immediately felt relief from all the office politics and stress that I had felt at Ford. I was sad that I had no paycheck, but glad to be gone. I did decide that my family and I would never buy a Ford/Lincoln product ever again. That's probably my pride talking, but I still feel that way.
Now that I'm almost a year away from it I think I have a slightly different perspective. I wouldn't go looking for a job at Ford. And I know that they wouldn't come looking for me. But if somehow there was a job offer in the future I would genuinely consider it. But this time around I would be 100% 'selfish' and always/only do what was in my best interest. And I'd be ready to walk away at any moment that I didn't like where things were headed. Actually, I am that way now with any company that I work for. SIRP was a wakeup call for me that reminded me that companies don't really 'care' about their employees and that I am the only one that can/will advocate for myself.
I don't know anybody that was forced out (SRD / SIRP / etc) that has gone back to Ford in any fashion - direct hire or contract.
I did know a handful of people that took buyouts as part of the voluntary separation / retirement packages that were offered a handful of years ago - that came back through a contract house. It was funny, one guy was an LL5 who took the buyout and then a couple months later he was back at his desk doing the work he always used to do - but this time through a contract house. Some peers were irritated that he was able to collect the incentives from the voluntary separation package - and still keep doing his job. Technically, he was no longer a Ford employee, but it still frustrated a lot of people.
I think the main reason they have the stipulation 'you cant come back' clause is because of things like that. The friends and family employees might deal themselves into a nice separation package and then bring themselves back. Even a SRD or SIRP - if the right LL4 liked you enough to bring you back after being let go - it could be very lucrative for the person to be let go and then brought back.
no way
Hello just for thoughts…anybody knows anybody who got back in after signing for severance for any layoff in past 20 years? I’m mean the severance language means ideally that they never want you involved in ford future dealings directly. Isn’t this kind of reverse non-compete perpetually by a one time payment by ford if you accept it.Has anyone challenged the document in a court of law. I guess you accept it and it’s a mutual by you and the company or you walk with nothing bc they preatry much say you don’t have a job anymore regardless of outcome
Think carefully before doing it, even if a higher up LLx signed off on it. Think about what will happen with when there are reorgs / “retirements’ and whether you would enjoy dealing with Ford legal when your LLx sponsor is no longer around or when it is no longer in your sponsor’s interest to care about your fate.
There are legal reasons why Ford severance packages have the language they do. The language has evolved over time. Other companies (ahem IBM) have been called out for age discrimination for behaviors of Month #1 layoff employees; Month #2 bring back laid off employees as contractors doing the same jobs as before but with no benefits.
If you retired on your own, with pension and without severance, such as in November 2022, I would think there’s no reason you could not come back.especially if they posted your job afterwards.
Now if they cut/SIRPed you, and you took severance/health care , that’s another story. Management made a forced decision your skills were no longer needed.
For them to bring you back even indirectly would need a whole ‘lot of splainin’ by the LL4LL5LL6
Here is what it says
Reemployment by Ford or a Ford-Controlled Company or Assignment to Ford
You will not be eligible for reemployment with Ford directly or assigned to perform work for Ford through an agency or otherwise. If you should become employed by a company that is a member of the Ford-controlled group of companies,
your special terms and eligibility for benefits may be affected. Benefits that may be affected include, but are not limited to, your pension benefit and post-retirement health care. You are encouraged to contact the NESC prior to accepting such employment.
They can't stop you from working on Ford projects with a supplier. If you don't have a pensions. What can they take away from you?
@1yut+1mXSCGnB Exceptions have been made and there are retired pension collecting individuals contracting at Ford. The leadership claim they are critical skills but really it is just favor doing. One guy was retired on the job while collecting a Ford paycheck for years on end, so just more of the same.
I don't think you can even contract back in. I'm paraphrasing, but the stipulation in the SIRP contract said something to the effect of not being allowed to work for Ford directly or indirectly. My interpretation was that it meant contract houses. But I worried that it could also mean suppliers (tier 1, 2, etc.) - many local suppliers supply parts to local OEMs and that includes Ford. People could be completely scr---d if they had to 'disclose' during an interview that they couldn't touch a Ford project as of their new job with a new company.
You can contract back into Ford, but if you officially retired from Ford and are collecting a pension you can't. But if you where let go with without a pension I think you can go back.
Dude, You qualify for 20 weeks of unemployment if you need some cash. Uncle Henry paid into the system for x amount of years and you did not quit. Go get your money. You did not hire Hackett or Fields...
Likely OP might have been contacted by consulting company, who call ex-Ford people all the time. A year later I still get called every now and then and I have to explain to them I can’t work there. Either they don’t pay attention or think they can sneak someone through.
As a short term contract person, I wouldn’t mind working for Ford again - they would have to pay me for my time though. Would not go back as FTE ever…maybe not for any company, much less stressful being a contractor if you don’t mind looking for a job every 6 months or so.
A VP can sign off on rehiring a SIRP'd ex-employee.
Though why anyone would want to go back with current management is beyond me.
Why would you want to come back to Ford? Are you mentally ill???
In theory no, the package says no return. However, there have been exceptions made to bring back some people as contractors.
One woman released in 2019 was offered a job again in 2022. She had remarried and her last name changed. Ford realized the mistake late in the process and rescinded the offer.
When I was SIRP'd, I was offered a separation package (continued salary and health insurance for a fixed amount of time based on how long I had worked for Ford). To accept this package, I had to sign a legally binding contract or forfeit the entire package. It included a very specific stipulation that I could never work for Ford again. Not directly or indirectly.
I personally felt that was a kick in the pants. Even if I could believe that layoffs happen and people were selected fairly (I don't feel that way about SIRP - I think it targeted pensioners and highly paid GSRs who were of certain age groups regardless of job performance) - I thought it was a sm--k in the face to say that people can never come back.
I've always believed that Ford will do whatever they want - and that if they wanted to hire someone back after they signed that type of separation agreement that they would make it happen. But I would not bank on it. In fact, I could see the new application review process (internal to Ford) including a cross check against the SIRP list just to ensure that they don't accidentally interview someone who was SIRP'd.