Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

@1iel+1mkKi8eX Correct.

1. No one said it was required to move to LM to understand what motivated the change of direction.
2. You’re right, it was 2014, not 2017. that’s what happens when you are not dwelling in the past, but instead living the present. Who F cares what IBM did in the 80s and Fran said years ago? Irrelevant. Let me send you a VZ “Moving Forward” sticker
3. The Accounting team is just a fraction of VZ. We are a technology company, not an accounting firm
4. My Tik Tok and IG accounts are doing great thank you very much! more views , more followers, so making $$$ for sure … once you understand that companies like VZ generate revenue for making content consumption possible and therefore, where part of your paycheck is coming from, you will start appreciating social media more. Until then, keep holding to that typewriter and pencil sharpener

Sounds like @1uko+1mkKi8eX doesn’t read very well. In 2018-19 ibm had access to the same tools and plenty of time to perfect their use….

So, you didn’t go to the lm office, which opened in 2014 not 2017, but you’re an expert in why it was built? I guess when Fran was there for the dedication and specifically called out collocating the accounting organization as the purpose he didn’t mean it. Florida did offer incentives along with plenty of other states. Verizon was shopping around to collocate, not the opposite.

Maybe your reading comprehension and listening skills will improve when you go back to the office and stop doing TikToks in your basement.

"That’s why companies like IBM who pioneered telework in the 80’s started bringing employees back in 2018"
OMG why are we even bringing this up? Telework in the 80's and the 90's, terrible idea, I'm sure... 20-30 years later, not the same scenario - email, slack, video conferencing, google suite. I am still expected to produce that report, create that presentation, and run meetings.

"Verizon rifed thousands of jobs to build the Lake Mary office for the very purpose of collocation"
FALSE. Verizon opened the finance hub in Lake Mary in 2017 to take advantage of the tax credits that FL was offering to businesses that were willing to relocate to FL; it was just a plan from the FL governor at the time to create more jobs and help the local economy. Some teams in Finance from OH and TN were either offered relo money to move to FL or severance if they chose to stay (I was part of it). It wasn't really a move to collocate teams.

Non-collocated teams will exist as long as you see jobs available in about you for more than one location - and that's 98% of the jobs out there today.

The idea that you have to bring all team members to the same building to drive productivity and be creative, is pure BS, period. How many companies are out there today with teams spread all over the world, in different time zones? but here we are VZ teamers, let's just keep doing it the good old way ....

I find it interesting that people honestly think if they don’t go to their work location they can’t be fired for job abandonment, which translates to no unemployment benefits. There is 0 difference than any hourly employee not showing up to their job as a ‘no call no show’. It’s under job performance which is the number one reason for termination with no claim to any benefits. Good luck though.

Top of rif list. Thank god. Take me. 28 years of service. That will be 8 months paid vacation and healthcare. I’m 3 years out to collect ssi and my 401k is doing stellar even in this market. Take me. All you fools that didn’t prepare. Sucks to be you. I’ll wfh and milk this gig till they get rid of me. RTO, go for it. I still won’t come in, fire me. Then I’ll collect unemployment and don’t say ya can’t cause ya can. Oh and then a age discrimination lawsuit, because VZ doesn’t fight it, they don’t want the bad press.

As far as collocation is concerned, Verizon rifed thousands of jobs to build the lake Mary office for the very purpose of collocation. There’s no reason they couldn’t/wouldn’t do that again. Especially after Hans is tossed out and the new leadership steps in and is looking for further attrition.

WFH is not sustainable in a company the size of Verizon. It will never be. That’s why companies like IBM who pioneered telework in the 80’s started bringing employees back in 2018 only to stop due to covid. They saw and felt the long term effects on productivity and creativity. Ultimately proximity bias is a thing and outside of a few select groups and roles those who are remote will be the on the top of the rif list when everyone returns to office.

“ WFH should have live/real time cam & mic monitoring of the workspace.”

You know there is a camera and mic on every computer. More importantly there is also a way to monitor what is being shown on every screen, typed into every keyboard, and every mouse movement. Always expect you are being monitored and a company computer. .

RTO is not the solution. Making a lazy individual productive is never going to happen, even if they RTO. I've been WFH for this company for 17 years and have always produced and even obtained two promotions. I'm always available when emailed or slacked. I love and enjoy my job and it shows.

For those talking about hanging out or doing other things, your leadership sounds lazy that they have never questioned what exactly you have been up to for the week. I'd hate to think that management is that bad. Don't get me wrong, I have peers who are hybrid and they can never be found. In BR busy by the break area gossiping all day. So while I may be producing n they are not. I don't point out the obvious because I'm too busy to be bothered. They conscience is on them. The solution is getting rid of dead weight like those so called top execs.

…as opposed to the WFHers who are wasting time at starbucks or at the gym on company time in their hometowns

Just get your entitled selves back to office already

I love all this talk about the average employee but the million dollar men in private jets sitting front row at all home Rangers games who is stealing time and money from the company and will get paid to leave is where EVERYONES FRUSTRATIONS SHOULD BE DIRECTED.....

@qex+1mkKi8eX “ These would be good candidates to be RIF’d”

Not happening. Collocated teams are more prominent than ever, that’s how companies are able to save money, by leveraging talent from different markets - no need to be paying an extra 10-15k/yr x employee in salary just to have everybody sitting at BR wasting time at starbucks or the gym …

@kmd+1mkKi8eX “There are people/teams that are not collocated whose functions are not tied to any specific market.”
The work environment is changing. RTO is real. These would be good candidates to be RIF’d.

verizon needs to have a big layoff .

@gby+1mkKi8eX Markets? you must work for field assurance or something.

There are people/teams that are not collocated whose functions are not tied to any specific market.

Many teams may not be collocated now but they have been moving employees who do not currently sit in the markets they support to the market where they physically are. There is a lot of change coming and like it or not RTO 5 days a week is coming.

WFH should have live/real time cam & mic monitoring of the workspace. What are you hiding? That you’re not working and doing around-the-home-chores on company time? That’s a very fair compromise for all. Especially from the “WFH is more productive” crowd.

Accountabilty is the key -- we love it here down south --- we have a Director we never hear from - our my manager holds a weekly meeting and other than that disappears. Its great - but not good for the company. We have people at the gym, visiting relatives that live in their footprint instead of doing inspections, those that are stationary can't even be found in the buildings. My immediate supervisor is difficult to find and we sit in a specific enclosed area --- can rarely find the guy on a Friday --- strolls in at 5 minutes to 9 and gone by 4. He parks in a different location everyday so we never know if he is in the building - Not really surprised as we are told you cant find our Director after 4PM. Its kind of a joke within the southern group. NO ACCOUNTABILITY from the top down.

Lazy people are going to be lazy home or in the office. Look at smokers. You see the same people out there daily. I bet some are out there 2 hours a day when you add it all up. But that’s ok. How amount the ones that go to the gym and still take a lunch. It really doesn’t matter. RTO, go for it. Until upper mgt is changed. RTO isn’t the problem. And we all know this. Postit note Sam danced the staffing question. She should be first to be shown the door. She’s horrible. Diego? Wtf does he do. Come on people.

@tfj+1mkKi8eX People with “that kind of flexibility” should be RIFed, period! Where is Sr Leadership checking team deliverables at the end of the week, ensuring that deadlines are being met and that teams are contributing/generating value to the business?

if Sr Leadership acts the same (grocery shops, has a 2nd job,etc) …. where is the director to ensure their teams are being productive?

Again, the core issue here is not WFH employees, is lack of leadership and accountability, poor business decisions, BOD/CEO painting a pretty picture when we are still not meeting the numbers …

RTO for some. Not customer service. They rather outsource.

Verizon was just praised for being a work for home employer. However been here long enough to know if something is good they will F it up.

That’s because the root and core of this is saturated in a union contract type mentality. Whether or management or union, there are many managers with this philosophy embedded in the brains. It’s the assembly line mentality of micromanagers. This is the reason Verizon will never be a technology company. They still fire employees in this company for “theft of time”. They run many departments this way especially in the unions. It’s just the way it is, they feel like you are taking advantage of the Company working from home. There are some groups that still provide that flexibility but few and far apart. VZ will always be “the phone company”

I find it’s a lot harder to take a nap, work a second job, grocery shop, mow the lawn, renovate your house (or rental property), or detail your car while in the office. That might just be me though. Also, mouse jigglers are much more obvious to your coworkers than your pets.