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What Amazon Wireless Would Mean for AT&T and Verizon Dividends https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/amazon-wireless-att-verizon-stock-dividends-

Just the thought of Amazon.com entering the wireless telecom business—as Bloomberg reported on June 2—was enough to send shares of Verizon Communications and AT&T tumbling. It also sent their dividend yields to mouthwatering levels. Their yields are about as attractive as they have ever been—so long as those dividends are safe.

Well, are they? Wolfe Research’s chief investment strategist, Chris Senyek, has a three-pronged test for finding dividends that are too good to be true. First, a company that pays out 80% or more of its net income may have too much going to support the payouts. Second, he applies the same test to free cash flow. Third, companies with a ratio of debt to earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization, or Ebitda, north of 3.5 times could be problematic as well.

If two of those three criteria are met, Senyek worries about cuts.

For most companies in the S&P 500, that isn’t an issue. The average dividend payout relative to free cash flow is about 40%, while the average payout relative to net income is about 45%. The average debt-to-Ebitda ratio—excluding financials, which have very different balance sheets and earnings metrics—is less than two times.

And it shouldn’t be a problem for Verizon (ticker: VZ) or AT&T (T), even though the wireless carriers have a lot of debt. AT&T’s net debt to estimated 2023 Ebitda is about three times, while dividends being paid out amount to roughly 50% of both 2023 estimated free cash flow and net income. Verizon’s debt-to-Ebitda ratio is about the same as AT&T’s, while dividends account for about 65% of estimated 2023 free cash flow and about 55% of estimated net income. Those metrics are a little higher than AT&T’s, but aren’t in the danger zone.

What’s more, both management teams have recently acknowledged the importance of dividends to their investors—at least before the potential for Amazon Wireless cropped up. The idea of Amazon as disrupter is nothing new. The company always seems to be the one that gets dropped into conversations about existential threats to incumbents. Amazon (AMZN) leasing planes? That spells the end of FedEx (FDX). A redesigned Amazon business website? That spells the end of industrial distribution company W.W. Grainger (GWW). An Amazon pharmacy benefit manager? Down goes CVS Health (CVS).

The reason investors put Amazon into these discussions is easy to understand. The company is huge, with a $1.3 trillion market capitalization, about five times the combined cap of AT&T and Verizon. What’s more, Amazon doesn’t seem to mind low profit margins in exchange for growth—and neither does the market.

The idea of a new competitor accepting lower margins sounds a little concerning, but it probably isn’t going to happen. “Where do we start?” asked Moffett Nathanson analyst Craig Moffett in a Friday report. There are regulatory hurdles, and Amazon would need to license an existing network. The economics of a licensing deal look terrible for both Amazon and a wireless partner, he writes, adding, “letting the fox into the hen house would be an awful idea.” Similar sentiments were expressed by Goldman Sachs, UBS, and Wolfe Research. An Amazon spokesman also told Barron’s that the company has no plans to add wireless service right now.

While the risk of anything material happening looks small, an Amazon overhang could remain for shares of AT&T and Verizon. That should be just fine for yield-hungry investors. The Amazon Wireless report sent Verizon’s dividend yield to the highest level in some 40 years and both stocks now yield more than 7%, based on annualizing current quarterly payouts.

Not every business is made for disruption. Now dividend-focused investors can get paid to wait for everyone else to realize that.

Write to Al Root at allen.root@dowjones.com

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Hans has done a great job driving the stock price down low enough to make the dividend yield really nice for his investors that we’re waiting for the price to drop.

The cherry on top is now stock buy backs that had ended can start up again easier to buy the stock back at $35 vs $60 a share.

“It’s a A wonderful life”. … Mr potter

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Post ID: @1lnc+1n0fdzNl

Larry: "You have to force behaviors..."

https://www.tiktok.com/@goodbltskgf/video/7240865414518017307

Larry and Blackrock and Hans really need to be investigated. This is too Animal Farm.

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Post ID: @hus+1n0fdzNl

Hey, look at it this way with all this news lately goodbir bad, the market cap between TMUS and VZ is getting back to close numbers and hopefully we will take the top again. I think then we should see some improvement in the stock and continue with the dividend!

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Post ID: @syh+1n0fdzNl

Link us to the video where Larry says that please.

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https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/status/1665440977824231438?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1665440977824231438%7Ctwgr%5E211435b3011b56e0dd1ca8367e1a6ab28c262c8d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fblackrock-ceo-audience-evil-things-company%2F

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Post ID: @oxq+1n0fdzNl

Vestberg really has two jobs: ensuring that the company and network provide the best telecom service for the money, and paying the dividend. Blackrock and Vestberg have put both of these at risk because of their behavior and lack of leadership. Many states are finally pushing back and all shareholder-employees should too.

The board really needs to answer why Vesterberg was hired when there were far more experienced and better domestic telecom executives available for the job. They also need to answer what is the actual strategic plan for the next five years considering Verizon 5G will unlikely maintain or increase cash flows.

Push back! There are too many fools leading this company now and the unions need to squeeze Hans little cojones especially hard because he will fold like a napkin.

https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/status/1665440977824231438?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1665440977824231438%7Ctwgr%5E211435b3011b56e0dd1ca8367e1a6ab28c262c8d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fblackrock-ceo-audience-evil-things-company%2F

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Post ID: @vkq+1n0fdzNl

Vestberg not only needs to be booted from this company but also out of this country. Since he has taken over a foul smell has descended on the network, the v team and the stock price. There is a video of Larry Fink from Blackrock extolling the beauty of bullying people over their paychecks. "If they don't do all of the anti-American and perverse things that we want, then cut off their pay." This is the kind of thinking that runs Verizon now and why Congress needs to investigate why so many foreigners are running the country's once-best network into the ground.

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