https://starkmanapproved.com/joe-bidens-colossal-electric-vehicles-debacle/
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@hut bev range vs sticker short about 15% in real world driving and near 40% in cold. Add towing a boat thus loses over 50%. Take a Weekend Warrior with a 300 Mike bev and that is more like a 150 Mile bev. Weekend warriors going to UP need at least 2 charging stops maybe 3 at over 1 hour ea (wait for charger, charge, hopefully can pull in with trailer) instead of 1 stop for 15 minutes. Then repeat coming back...makes a Quick Friday after work to Sunday return with an ICE a 4 day extended weekend with BEV. And you still have to find chargers at your destination and pay a premium for fast charger. BEVs too inefficient for distance highway traveling.
ICE losses mpg in cold weather? What are you talking about? Lower air inlet temps make ICE more efficient.
You'd think people by now would know that ICE vehicles also have diminished mpg in cold weather and with towing a trailer. This is not a new concept. Stop finger pointing at BEV and Model e, range reduction happens on ICE too.
Model e management knew reduction in range at temperature extremes and towing and charging experience issues with their "self proclaimed" largest charging network (ford does not own any networks but access other company owned charging networks via ford app). Model e management let customer find out these limitations after they purchased vehicle (buyer beware) and let them deal with it. Highlighting only "advantage and convenience" of charging at home and not going to gas stations with omission of public charger issues ( slow charge rate, inoperable chargers and cost to use public chargers). Model e management does disservice to customers by not informing of this for a customer to make a rational decision if vehicle meets their needs.
Hot or cold weather, EV performance diminishes. What a scam on the consumer.
Recent extreme heat across much of the Southern and Western U.S. is highlighting a problem with electric vehicles — their range wilts as the temperature climbs into the stratosphere.
Recurrent, a Seattle EV battery and range analytics company, tested thousands of vehicles in a variety of weather conditions.
Many vehicles experienced significant declines in range as temperatures rose, and some suffered a 31 percent plunge when temperatures reached 100-plus degrees Fahrenheit. At cooler temperatures, the tested vehicles' range loss was not as high, with an average of 5 percent reduction at 90 degrees and 2.8 percent at 80 degrees.
More food for thought:
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-only-ev-worth-buying-right-now-charging-nacs-ccs-2023-7
‘Debacle’ is not the quite word. Also perspective and context are missing
For the average Jane/John Die, the rush to BEV’s is and will continue to be a disaster in countless ways - middle class jobs lost and affordable, reliable transportation tanked.
However, for those that are plugged into the higher levels of business and political power, it is the gift that keeps on giving.
Palmer is right on in this story. We were constrained with not enough volume all this time. Now we can answer the demand, just be patient.
Wait, let’s build more that we can’t sell. Shows what it takes to be a Ford VP. Oh, not all customers love them after purchasing (recalls, fires, price drops).
After both got off to a red hot start with demand outweighing supply by a large margin, both the Ford Mustang Mach-E and Ford F-150 Lightning were frequently selling for big bucks both in the used and new vehicle markets for some time. However, multiple rounds of price increases and ramped up production have reversed this trend, and now, both have been treated to big price cuts and even factory incentives and other types of discounts as inventory improves. This trend is nothing new, however, as Ford Authority reported yesterday, with EV inventory across the entire industry swelling to levels that are higher than the overall market, on average. However, when speaking about the newly revealed Mach-E Rally recently, Darren Palmer, vice president, Electric Vehicle Programs, Ford Model e, told The Detroit Bureau that he isn’t concerned about this growth in EV inventory.
“We have been constrained on production of Mach-E, Lightning, and E-Transit since the day we launched them,” Palmer said. “So, we decided rather quickly to put in capacity but it takes time. That volume is just about to come online. We’re also introducing a new LFP battery and making other changes that will allow us to move the price point(s) to a new area, as well as offer other derivatives in a completely new price (range) and bring it down. (The Mach-E has already) gotten more range, even as it’s gotten significantly cheaper.”
“It’s a little premature to be concerned about a pile-up,” the executive added. “We’re just loading up our dealers. Until now, every Mach-E (and Lightning) was backordered and people had to wait months for them. Now, we’ll have more, and have better deals. We’re in Moore’s Chasm in the adoption curve. There were the early adopters at the beginning. Now we’re moving into the mainstream. But that may take a little time to get going. We think this is a little valley. But customers who have them love them.”
This reaction doesn’t come as a surprise, as this type of phenomenon is quite common in the automotive industry – any time a hot new vehicle debuts, it faces high demand, making it more difficult to obtain and often more expensive before the luster wears off and supply improves. However, it remains to be seen how customers will view EVs moving forward now that inventory has increased dramatically, reaching a 103 days’ supply at the end of June – compared to a 53 days’ supply for the entire new vehicle market.