Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Sell your stock in to the temporary strength created by the Buyback announcement

That is exactly what the C-Suite, Executives and ex-Executives will be doing.

  1. Charlie and the Board have spent $35 Billion on stock buybacks in the past 3 1/2 years, but have been unable to sustain strength and momentum in the stock.
  2. Buybacks artificially boost EPS, but are short-term in nature. When pressured to generate near-term profits, management teams use buybacks as a short-term band-aid to boost profitability metrics.
  3. Charlie has been and is unable to grow value organically
  4. The dividend is still half of what it was before Charlie slashed it in 2020. If this were a legitimate attempt to return value to shareholders, rather than to game the stock, Charlie would (seriously) boost the dividend. Executives and the media perpetuate the idea that share buybacks create value for the shareholders. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Dividends do.
  5. This is the team who has failed to get the bank out from under the Federal Asset Cap in nearly 4 years. No ETA.
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Post ID: @OP+1nNpivBv

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And the stock is currently $1 over where it was six months ago.

Thanks for all your hard work, Charlie! 🙄

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Post ID: @1usz+1nNpivBv

Whenever they stop buying, the stock comes right back down.

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Post ID: @1yvy+1nNpivBv

But Cramer just said to buy WF stock..

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Post ID: @1rai+1nNpivBv

30 billion will buy roughly over 650 million shares. Also take into account price will go up as they buy blocks of shares. Also note if they do it all buy ex dividend date Aug 4th it will save another roughly 200 plus million in dividend payments for this quarter alone. Just food for thought. They bought 4 billion worth of shares in q1 and q2. This is exciting news all shareholders should be thrilled.

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Post ID: @1ncy+1nNpivBv

Side note: if you're employed by WF and you own WF stock, LMFAO@U.

That's just bad financial practice.

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Post ID: @ynw+1nNpivBv

Stock's up $0.96. Woot!!!

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Post ID: @tht+1nNpivBv

The end of Wells Fargo is near. God Bless.

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Post ID: @hgj+1nNpivBv

OP here:

Long term employee of the bank. Flat the stock.

Do the research yourselves. My post is pretty basic. I purposely did not even delve in to how stock-based incentives make up the majority of our executives’ pay and how they will personally profit from this buyback, because I wanted to keep it (fairly) clean.

The executives DO have their 10b51 plans set up and ready to sell in to strength. Betting that some sold on the opening because they know the pop is temporary.

I’m not out here calling people names and playing with the votes. IMO, those who are frantically doing so appear be the ones with the biased agenda. How much stock could you own that you would react so desperately to my little post??

I am who added the comment below from McKinsey (a company Wells pays Billions of $ per year to for their advice) about the shareholder value in dividends vs share buybacks.

Do I think our Leadership and Governance Team are a bunch of incompetent self-serving oafs? Absolutely!!

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Post ID: @mkw+1nNpivBv

$30 Billion at the current stock price is roughly 1/10th of the float. There's no way WF is taking 1/10th of the float off the market. This announcement is pure pump and dump.

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Post ID: @atq+1nNpivBv

Those who think buybacks are universally bad do not deserve to work at any financial institution. Perhaps WFC has no business issuing the buyback BUT some of the reasoning here is too Elizabeth Warren-ish.

To those lacking this specific knowledge, read up on the topic from unbiased sources. Don’t trust the people on the board. For all you know, they’re short WFC.

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Post ID: @avx+1nNpivBv

Troll post!

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Post ID: @ucj+1nNpivBv

Total corporate smoke show. It should be illegal.. ethically and morally it’s completely bankrupt.👎🏼

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Post ID: @yir+1nNpivBv

Wells Fargo’s own consulting firm, McKinsey, on share buybacks:

April 4, 2023
Executives , investors, and the media often perpetuate the idea that repurchasing shares creates more value than paying dividends does. This can’t be further from the truth. Share repurchases may increase a company’s earnings per share, but for a fairly valued company, they don’t necessarily translate into higher value than seen with dividend payments. Let’s say your company earns $100, has a P/E of 15 on core earnings, and can distribute $100 in excess cash earned as either dividends or share repurchases.

Dividend payments. If your company pays out dividends, its equity value will be $1,500. Shareholders will have received $100, so the total value to the shareholders will be $1,600. On a per share basis, the share price will be $15. Since each share will also have received $1 in dividends, the total value and cash per share will be $16.
Share repurchases. If your company pays out its earnings by repurchasing shares, its equity value will be $1,500, and shareholders will have received $100. On a per share basis, for those shareholders who don’t sell, each remaining share will increase in value to $16 because of the lower share count. For an individual (remaining) share, this is economically equivalent to having a share worth $15 plus $1 from a dividend.

There is no difference in value between share repurchases and dividend payments.
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Note that earnings per share increase mechanically; it has nothing do to with underlying value creation. If your company pays out a dividend, shareholders retain their shares and receive cash. If your company repurchases shares, the selling shareholders receive cash, and the remaining shareholders have shares with higher value (but they don’t receive any cash). Overall, there is no change in underlying value, just a change in the mix of shareholders.

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Post ID: @hxg+1nNpivBv

Don't have any. I exchange my 401k match immediately every January into my other investments.

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Post ID: @wxr+1nNpivBv

Not biased: Fact-based. The key word are “temporary” and “short-term” . Educate yourself.

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Post ID: @ubi+1nNpivBv

Yes, take advice from a biased anonymous post.

The buybacks do add value to shareholders. Less shares equals higher EPS. Also equals less total dividends needed to be paid.

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Post ID: @wxr+1nNpivBv

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