I'm disgusted and upset about the recent layoffs. The whole situation just doesn't seem fair. We all worked incredibly hard, yet so many talented colleagues were let go while I was spared, leaving me wracked with guilt. It's as if we've all been betrayed by the very people we were supposed to trust - our executive team. Their decisions have deeply shaken my faith in them. I'm finding it hard to picture a return to normalcy after this upheaval. These layoffs were far more severe and unjust compared to past ones. I keep reminding myself that our worth extends beyond our jobs, but the path forward looks undeniably challenging.
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@1mgj
Where did you get that >3000 number?
I am sure he appears to be “as frustrated as we are”
Look beyond appearances
I have to say, Our manager is great! he's also as frustrated as we are.
I would like to understand the layoff criteria. seems like the whole thing was rushed by HR.
Maybe that will put our minds at ease.
This one in June hurt more than last year because these firing were actually >3,000 salary in USA 🇺🇸 fired. However Ford C-suite continues to hide the real true numbers and downplay them to the media as a trick to portray the company’s negative actions in a more positive way. Sick! Bring back Alan Mullaly.
@jfk I would of saved myself a lot of heartache in my career if I had known from the beginning that you can freak your manager out just by doing your job competently.
If you have a bright flame there is a type of manager who will need to snuff it out.
Take care, Ford is full of that type of manager.
@jfc because the manager is incompetent.
Sure in theory, every company wants to have intelligent and hard-working employees in every position. They want employees who will do their job to the very best of their ability.
However, for managers who feel insecure in their position, a successful highly capable employee is intimidating. Instead of appreciating their hard work, insecure managers sabotage high performers as they fear they have the ability to out-perform them (and that everyone else knows it).
Yes @jfk+1nntSCkH there are “leaders” who are threatened by competent people. And yes it doesn’t make healthy company sense, but it does make Ford sense. You have to understand that many of the people in leadership positions at Ford are not really leaders. They used dirty tricks to get their promotions and therefore live in constant fear of being exposed and of others doing to them what they did to claw their way upwards. They surround themselves with incompetent individuals who bring them every morsel of team members conversations and activities. They purge their teams of threats. Uber skilled and well respected, you gotta go. Uber skilled and despised by everyone- you can stay.
@qky+1nntSCkH
but why? wouldn't that manager's team work better if he put people where they were good at?
What is the benefit of letting a worker work in an area the worker is not competent in?
wouldn't manager's usually like competent people?
I seriously really don't understand. Because the manager will just end up shooting themselves in the foot when they just keep firing competent people.
Is being competent somehow being considered a threat?
Here’s the dirty trick Ford managers will pull. I’ll use a baseball analogy. A team hires a guy that’s terrific at 1st base. The manager take a disliking to this fellow, so he puts him in the outfield. He doesn’t do so well and the manager says, “this guy is a terrible baseball player, let’s send him down to Toledo.”
When the manager had him play 1st base he did great. But he makes sure he never gets the chance again.
@rzc
This “slacker” you speak so disparaging of, did the management give him specific directions about what he needed to do to improve? Did they tell him, “shape up or you’re going to get canned”? Did they give him assignments outside his area of expertise? Did he have an expertise in a certain area that was not being used? Was he sick?
A fair management would tell the guy that he’s not doing the job they need done, give him fair warning. If nobody said anything to him until the day he got axed, that’s cruel. That’s apparently the new Ford way.
@leo+1nntSCkH
I don't get it.
She was threatened by actual competent people?
No wonder why the software side is a huge sh-t show.
Seriously. there are leaders who don't like actual competent subordinates?
I can't even fathom why that would be.
it makes no sense.
My mind is having a segfault just even thinking about it
I understand that many good people were let go this week. No doubt. But please do not assume it was all superstars that were let go. I know of one lousy slacker of a worker who had the worst work ethic I ever seen, not a ball of fire when he was in the office, and get away with this for years. Years. Finally, and long overdue he was let go this week.
Do I feel sorry for this guy. Absolutely not. And neither should you.
@rex+1nntSCkH It was like that in 2019 on our team. Literally the only people who were cut were the top performers who innovated and mentored others, and every single rock star was cut. Within a month the LL5 had backfilled with an equivalent # of unskilled people. Within 3 months 2X contractors were brought in to “backfill” and promotions were given out to her unskilled friends.
In 2022 the LL5, at an offsite gathering, was laughing about how she eliminated all of her competition in 2019 and brought in new loyal people to do her bidding. Yes she had a few drinks and was loose lipped. And what do you think happened this week? Up and coming competition was fired.
Funny thing is in 2019 and again this week she was publicly claiming that she had no clue or control over who was chosen. But then again everyone knows honesty is not her strong suit.
My advice...don't get personally involved. It is a paycheck...that's it! Trust no one, and just sit and do your job and go home...nothing more.
@aax+1nntSCkH in the software side a kind of pattern is observed.
all converted contractors were cut regardless of contribution.
it's not seniority either because direct Ford hires with 1yr or less time with the company were kept.
but every contractor converted to full time was cut.
Yes, @rex+1nntSCkH, very unfortunate. Many of us don't understand how the good ones are being let go. It makes no rhyme or reason. Then they wonder why quality is going out the door, literally.
Our family is upset too! My dad lost his job in August. My brother just got let go this week. We used to be a FORD family, but not anymore. My dad got a new job in January, sold his F150, and bought a Silverado. My mom is getting rid of her Edge and picking up a Grand Highlander Platinum Hybrid later today. I am sure we are not the only family to get rear-ended by this company and will not be the last. They just lost a family that will never repurchase a FORD. Four people won't make a difference but will add up over time.
Doesn't seem fair???!!! Grow up. Dford org were NOT inclusive, collaborative - the most pompous, elitist, ' god given right ' characters I've ever encountered. Farley warned everyone when he took the reigns unless you prove your value to the company's bottom line you will get cut. Musgrave FAILED and his directors also failed, laughable how they thought they invented under seat storage and the mess that became the steering wheel/ table. The Ford family are desperate, Farley is an executioner, he will cut people ruthlessly and do whatever it takes to save his own a$$ first. Anyone working on a production program knows how messed up things are and it's not getting better. As outsiders are brought in, more cuts will be made to enable more outsiders to be brought in. EV dev, subscriptions, data, whatever, Ford lost its ability to manufacture any quality product. For those working on next f150, wtf! another mess. Farley will be gone soon enough, he's done his job in reducing staff, the real problem is who can replace him? its NOT D Field! or any of the other so-called leadership. Good luck.
@gzj+1nntSCkH the previous cuts hit our department as well. Infact all the cuts since 2019 our department was affected not to mention most cut were contractors
It's different probably this time because we we're already understaffed.
and it's all salaried members. That sends a message to everyone that no one is safe.
This time felt different to you because it affected your department. They’re all like this. I was the new guy on the team last August, and they cut three seniors. I was the new guy in another department a couple of years ago, and they cut several with way more experience and knowledge. It’s not “We are Ford”, it’s “This is Ford”.
Quality training they offer as cr@p! And why are there over seven different places to get quality/warranty information from? Because none of them report out the same search results.
Not to worry. There won’t be any problems or quality issues. All the engineers had to take 30+ hours of “quality training”. That should do the trick. No innate talent or experience necessary. All they have to do is apply The Process and shazam! everything is peachy. Gotta say “shazam” like Gomer Pyle for it to work properly.
@cdo+1nntSCkH this time felt different at least in my department because alot of the top performers were let go.
a lot of the mentors from my team were scrapped just like that.
our tech lead was even taken aback.
whoever is left in that team is not capable of what that one guy was doing. they just don't have the technical know how. that dude was our tank. if you wan't something done he was the guy to get it done.
then another guy who basically dubbed their "script guy" was also let go.
that guy was doing things that aren't even remotely close to the his job description and they were critical. the pipelines were made efficient because of his work.
He showed me what he has done a few times and it blew my mind just how involved algorithmically his work was.
No one in the entire department was up to par with that "script guy" and "tank guy" in the areas they are SME at. hence why they were chosen to do the things they did because no one else knew how to.
Seriously its a huge hit in the technical and morale side.
the ones left will be left scrambling.
I'm wondering why this round of layoff seems to have rattled everyone far more than the last round in August 2022. We laid off far more in that round, yet this round seems to have affected the morale far more for some reason.
The policy that the “separated” can not be re-hired into other areas of the company is just stunningly mo--nic.
In the last 2 years we lost so many great people. In many cases (at least 50%) people still working here are much worse than people who were let go. So it was clearly not based on performance. It is a sad state of affairs in this company. They don't seem to know how to make right decisions.
Betrayal? Get a clue, welcome to the world of big corporation! Farley and the majority of ' execs ' brought in from the outside are fakes and company jumpers, most of them accomplished nothing at their previous employer, more than likely in a nother year or 2 once their contracts expire they will jump. What makes me sick are all the cowards. Musgrave was aware what was about to happen and did nothing to prepare his teams for the carnage. Well good riddance. The so-called leaders are ruthless, thats the new norm - hop on or get off, your choice.