15 years ago Wells Fargo had very few remote jobs. COVID hit and everyone was sent home. Now kids been back to school. Adults have filled trains, planes, bars, gyms, malls and movie theaters but for some reason You are so entitled that you cannot return to the office???? F*ck Outta Here! Hope you get laid off since you want to be Lazy!
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It's insurance. You aren't afraid of fires or car accidents, but you have extinguishers and seat belts to mitigate the risk. Same thing with personal defense. The idea that violent crime isn't a risk is pretty laughable considering the statistics. No, the real "fear" here is the kooks who are so terrified of law abiding citizens carrying inanimate objects that they insist on eliminating their right to self defense.
Blanket policies in something like this is peak lazy in most cases. It's not here though, the purpose is to harass people and make them want to quit. For that's it's likely effective.
Ahem.....
For over 20 years I could work remotely as long as I worked in the region I supported...which was 4-6 states.
Now I'm required to do the 3/2 tango per Chainsaw Charlie.
So no, I'm not lazy.....rather, upper management is lazy as they can't figure out how to reduce expenses without the sledgehammer approach.
The point is to convince you to quit, via tanking your morale by forcing you to suffer a series of obvious and intentional indignities.
That's the truth.
if your raise LS aren't cutting it the change roles and self promote or find something with a other company. I've been with the company a while and my biggest raises have been from moving to other groups at a higher role andnas a result my base and bonus have gone up plenty. whether your at WF or any other company, you can't expect to stay in the same role year and and year out and expect to get more than chump change each year. while it shouldnt be the case, that is the reality we have to work with so if you don't like your situation the best person to do something about it is you, not charlie, not Biden, not trump, but you
I would say this post pretty much sums up the character and mentality of the anti RTO crowd.
The concept of downtown has gone the way of malls and coal and incandescent lighting, it's just that the country hasn't realized it yet.
Give me back my assigned permanent desk next to people that I work with and I would be happy to return to the office. All I do is drive in 9 miles, park my car, walk in, find an open desk, adjust the monitors, plug in cords, reconfigure the chair, get my headphones out, get online, get a coffee, may take a trip to the cafe for a pastry, go to the bathroom, and then close up shop to drive home having spoke to no one other than the cafe people. What is the point?
"That would be fair and maybe be the worthless employees will quit"
Awfully broad brush stroke there...
@1pbs, our raises haven't kept up with inflation - the raises here are dismal. Did Hudson Yards tell you that you don't "need" a new car so that you're content with you 2-3% raise? I get that no one needs a $50K car - maybe you should tell Charlie that. Maybe he can tighten his belt a little.
OP - you asked why not return to the office? I'll ask you - what are your reasons for thinking we should all go into an office? What are the tangible reasons that it makes sense for everyone to sit in a cube in order to do their work?
I know the reasons that Hudson Yards gave and in most cases they can be shown to be not valid. So I ask you - why do people need to go to a shared physical location to do their work?
prices go up. hopefully you are making more than you did 15 years ago. gas is still a lot cheaper than it should be and maybe instead of driving a new 50k car we should all be happy driving a paid for 15 year old car, I know I am.
I worked in office for 10 years because the role required it. Then I upskilled to get a role that didn't, and it was great. WFH for 10 prior to COVID. Now I'm supposed to waste 2 hours a day driving to a building to collaborate with no one because some tool in NYC says so. It's asinine, and they are clearly doing it intentionally to tank morale. FHY and FOP.
Troll post. Just to set you straight troll. 15 years ago cars did not cost 50k. Gas was not $4 a gallon. Parking was not $20 a day. We actually got raises. Now it is not cost effective to go into the office. So FRTO and F you troll!
@1gio it would suck to live with that kind of fear of people. May as well go back to hiding in trees.
@uzf+1npnuKCI “…make it legal to carry…” what are you doing to make that change happen? Sounds like nothing. I carry every day (it’s legal in my state) but would do it regardless of legality if I felt I needed to. As far as WF policy not ALLOWING me to carry on the worksite, LOL. Policy also says that person who’s going to lose their isht and stab or shoot others aren’t supposed to have a we-pon either but……
Are you jealous that others have skills that make them valuable regardless of whether or not they're in a Wells Fargo office?
Maybe you should upskill to be valuable regardless of where your ar-e is expected to be parked for 8 hours a day. Don't hate the people who chose a path you're now jealous of. People have been working remotely for Wells Fargo since before the turn of the century, it's not even close to new thinking. I knew/know people who logged in via dial-up.
If you can't beat us, join us.
Look d_mmy, TECHNOLOGY has advanced quite a bit. TECHNOLOGY has advanced to the point where we can be as efficient at home as in the office. Everyone but a very few can see that. Do you still look at maps to plan your trip? Do you feel the need to call every single time instead of send an IM? How do you think they can offshore to India like this? It's the offshoring of manufacturing but for white collar jobs. I keep capitalizing TECHNOLOGY because some people are too st_pid to figure out what's changed 15 years ago to now. Call me lazy? I'm ashamed I work at a company rife with imbeciles like the OP.
15 years ago I was hired as a remote employee.
I do not have an office to return to. While I live near a hub, it never was my office.
@hpj+1npnuKCI How so? What’s weak? Your jealousy? My work gets done. Usually extra work gets done. Why should I have to go to an office now to placate Charlie’s ego? Or make YOU feel better that you have to go and I don’t?
I'll go into the office when they increase my pay 35% to match Inflation and start making it legal to be armed for these dangerous cities.
I was hired as a Remote employee 7 years ago and there were plenty of us back then. They had us classified as “field reps” in the system. We had around 100 on the team back then and I’d say that a third were remote.
I love how the pro-RTO posts are written as if the author is a 4th grader while the anti-RTO posts are written by well-reasoned adults.
Quite the metaphor for working at WF.
SO weird because I have been here 20 years and no one ever ran a report to see if I was in the office. Its almost like I spent 18 years being treated like an adult and no one cared if I was in the office or not. I also ON MY OWN figured out when it was important for me to be IN the office vs when I could work remote.
And I was SO GOOD that at some point CPG said we ran out of space so can you work remote full time? And I did that for years as both a manager and an IC and I thrived and I also went in when it made sense.
I am so glad Charlie now wants to look at a report and DEMAND I come in. I feel so trusted.
OP is likely a troll trying to stir things up. It's been mentioned here over and over that many people (myself included) were not in an office pre-COVID. I've been remote 15+ years. RTO? Return to "what" office exactly? I didn't have one. That's why our c-Suite (I won't call them leaders because who are we kidding - they aren't leaders) started calling it, "in office expectations" vs RTO.
I go in because I have to. I talk to no one because there is no one there on my team or my managers managers team or even my managers managers managers team. But wait for it - no one is even there from my managers managers managers managers team there. I get less done when I'm there because it's so loud. But I decided that's not my problem. I'm not working more hours to make up for how much less I get done while I've forced to sit in a cube.
To the OP's comment that those who don't want to RTO are lazy - maybe some are. But I see people in cubes scrolling away on their cell phones not doing any work. Being in an office doesn't deter laziness. No one on my team who was under-performing while remote is now suddenly performing since they're in an office. They've just changed the location where they don't do anything.
The c-Suite hasn't fixed the laziness issue with RTO. What they have done is made those who aren't lazy frustrated enough not be wiling to go that extra mile. So in the end, everyone loses - including the c-Suite.
Lol @ the OP. Their own ignorance will keep them from excelling at any facet of their existence. Literally any informational response to the post would be wasted breath.
Now queue the “I’m top of the heap in blah blah blah” response that is nonsensical. Just because you don’t have the intelligence to see you aren’t the smartest person in the room doesn’t suddenly make YOU the smartest in the room. Hint, it’s the opposite.
If you’re still defending the office after all that’s happened to us in the last three years, then you are the problem.
If the worker believes in the company and their job role, no issue being required to work from an office.
If the company makes an effort to create a place people want to work for, in-office work is a non-issue.
It's a lose lose situation at WF.
Working from home has nothing with being lazy. Personally, I found myself working more after working from home because I didn't have an hour long commute back and forth now. Further, there were plenty of remote positions that were held in the last 10 years at Wells Fargo. Even those that were remote prior to the pandemic are required to come into the office. Some of those employees live and have always lived many hours away from the nearest hub. This comment is lacks abstract thought, at best.
Here’s the issue with the “logic” on display from OP. We live in a linear word. Progress is measured in steps forward, not steps BACKWARDS.
The only fuel for RTO at this point is a toxic overexposure to corporate real estate (which financials like Wells Fargo hold the bulk of the loans). Occupancy levels in offices are subsidized by tax incentives from state and local municipalities to drive traffic into city centers to drive up commerce. The problem is.. no one can afford to live in the city.
Forcing employees back into a cubicle farm for corporate overseers and governments to pick our pockets for gas, food, and even time is the modern equivalent of the Sheriff of Notingham taxing (stealing) from the most vulnerable to insure that the top of the food chain is fat and well positioned to live a life in lavish comfort, while those who do the work struggle and live in squalor. This may be acceptable in India and Manila.. but this is the United States.
The hybrid model (although it has it’s problems) is the best compromise we have between management and labor. Personally, I hate going to the office. I “collaborate” with no one. I produce.. then I leave. My management trusts me to do my job 8 hours a day, because I’m an adult (I’m fortunate, I know).
There’s a real reckoning getting to a boiling point. To many people and institutions are watching and are invested. It’s all about money in the end. How much money is to much for Charlie? I barely make 50k a year. He makes 20 million. Those tax incentives? That’s how he gets paid. I get crumbs by actually working for a living. Hate to say it.. but who’s smarter? Maybe we all need to enter our “Charlie Era” for a while to see how much we can make before someone notices we aren’t anything other than a parasites.🤷🏻
Same reason people aren't watching movies on beta tapes and driving around listening to 8-tracks. Or traveling by horseback. Why do olds hate technology? Lol.
Been at wells 8 years and when I started I was told there are no remote jobs. I'm not sure why others have issues. I wouldn't be shocked if they had everyone return to office full time. That would be fair and maybe be the worthless employees will quit
Never worked in an office pre Covid. When I was looking for an office in a prior role, I was told there weren’t enough.
Also: 15 years ago is a long time ago. Life has changed dramatically. Your argument is weak.
I didn’t work in the office pre Covid. You would be surprised how many of us there were, we just weren’t “branded” remote like we are now.