Wondering if its worth putting in time and effort to possibly still be canned vs starting to look outside.
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Many years ago I was told it was not worth being an LL6. For the little bit of perks they get, the responsibility did not align with the rewards. And, it seems that is usually the first place they cut. I hear they don't even get all the perks they once did.
And, the commentors are accurate, people who are NOT qualified, but "related/friends" with those doing the promoting seem to be the ones getting the advanced positions. SAD!
It's a joke and it's all rigged. In my department we were told that we could apply for any position regardless if it was a lateral or a promotion. This was 15 years ago, and I applied for an opening, well within my area of expertise, in my department that was a promotion. I did not get an interview, instead my supervisor called a meeting and asked why I applied for that job. I reminded him adout what was said by our manager in the last department meeting. He told me that job was not for me to apply to, it was predetermined who would get the opening. Later I learned that HR became involved and my manager had to change his promotion practices.
Late 2021 I tried to get out of the department and was told I was too valuable an employee to lose. Then 8/22 and the same manager told me my skills were no longer needed. FUQ FORD FIRST.
Honestly not worth it. Ford decades ago was full of competent and capable leaders. But sadly the shallow, empty headed, blowhard, promise a lot deliver little has become the norm at Ford. Unless you are a FnF / bootlicking type move along and find a better place to invest your energy.
If JF,DF,BF and their posse were public officials citizens would have long ago would demanded the resignations due to their incompetence and poor leadership that are responsible for the disastrous product launches, toxic work place environment and serial unsound business ventures.
I would say it would depend on the circumstances within the dynamic the group and if you're wanting to do a lateral, vertical or diagonal transfer (promotion) - typically called directional moves I, /, _. There are many policies in place depending on which directional move you are wanting. Usually, diagonal or horizontal moves are easier and involve less bureaucracy. Also, if you do a diagonal move you may be open to more compensation and could get 2 year end bonuses (one from each group)
If you are asking if it is worth it, only you can decide. But consider the added responsibility and potentially additional hours expected. I used to work in manufacturing and there were a large number of career engineers who refused to ever apply for LL6 roles because the added stress and hours wasn't worth the salary bump and salary lease vehicle (which you still pay for).
I know some LL6s who didn't have connections but got promoted. They need to do this to protect friends and family during layoffs. Most of them are already gone and the remaining will go eventually. This cycle continues. That's why you see so many useless LL6's in the company at all times. These id--ts are permanent employees. Good one's come and go. This company doesn't deserve to stay in business.
Few lls were thrown out because they were not parts of the friends and family club
To the person who said leadership positions are predetermined… you may be right. I was not a member of the friends and family team but when I was promoted to LL6 I was asked to apply for the position. I didn’t really want an LL position but applied thinking I wouldn’t get the position because I knew the competition was tough. I got the position and was told I was doing a great job and got great reviews. I was let go recently. Can’t help but notice that the biggest percentage of those let go are in the LL6 role. There are a few LL5s, LL4s ads GSRs but LL6 takes the biggest cuts every time.
So called leadership position candidates are predetermined. The interviews and rest is for show only. It is only important who you know and not how much you know. The whole company would have been somewhere else if not. Others agree?
If you don’t have a father or a brother, or a uncle, or a mother-in-law or a really good friend at the high-level management then don’t do it. they’re gonna fire you to protect their friends and family because you’re not part of the friends and family club. You could walk on water and to them you are useless. you’re just a number with a price tag attached.
not anymore . . .
Yes especially for a TS or TE LL6
Put your time into finding a career with a different place that respects engineering while you are young.
Work 5 - 10 more years on getting that LL6 and you will find your skillset will have eroded.
You want to look for an operational job where you lead the company and team. An LL6 just follows commands from above with absolutely no input in the future state of the company / department / product - do not kid yourself !
not worth it
Depends on the role and leadership chain. Some LL6 promotions are a career death sentence. If you are doing strong work that is moving the organization forward and have leadership that advocates, its a great opportunity.