Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

Wireline and Layoffs

Wireline has already been hit hard with many layoffs in various support groups, techs, engineering and managers. The rest of the company is just now feeling the pain that’s been happening in ACE and CNIO. Engineering appears to be on the path of being contracted out again, as has been done in the past.

Wireline has been migrating from copper to fiber but it’s a huge lift, it will still take years for buildout. Fiber has been installed since the 80’s and it’s still barely over 30% of coverage for AT&T’s 22 state area. There was a lost decade of fiber build due to leadership’s failed media aspirations which resulted in a refocus on core business once again. Though cheaper than copper, fiber is cost prohibitive due to labor installation cost, some local gov. requirements, terrain, supply, contractors, etc.. so the company has to implement it in phases for ROI.

Even if the company were to sell, spin-off or do whatever with wireline, the techs will be here for many years to come, they can’t off-shore or WFH that work. Unfortunately for a lot of managers their work isn’t local. Technology changes but still need boots in the field and CO’s to install, maintain the network though less will be needed as time goes by. Attrition will happen within the next 3-6 years, there will be many that retire in the core and sooner in Leg-T. Many in the core were hired in 1999-2001 so 30 years or modified rule of 75 is not far away for the older techs. Expecting more tech layoffs in the core after the MOA between the Company and Union expires sometime next year, 2024.

The company goal is to reduce copper facilities & equipment 50% by the end of 2024 or 2025. Some areas that will be turned off and have no fiber will be served by fixed wireless but that is just a temporary solution per CFO and McElfresh in recent interviews. Fixed wireless in their opinions isn’t viable for the future due to various short comings of that product.

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Post ID: @OP+1nsuBat3

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Nice post, poor leadership has greatly affected the company/employees as a whole and not in a positive way. Unfortunately the trend continues, no resemblance to Ma Bell we hired onto many years ago. Divesture and competition contributed to that too.

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Post ID: @2gbu+1nsuBat3

`Don’t feel bad because many other people are uneducated on how the network is built, a lot of them work for telecom too. `

We call the ones who mouth off m o r o n s.

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Post ID: @2pwt+1nsuBat3

Most people do use wireline if you have a cellphone, it’s connected to the cell towers, also elevators and your neighborhood pool.

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Post ID: @2uuq+1nsuBat3

When will the MOA expire, first of the year or when contract is up for D3 SE?

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Post ID: @1coc+1nsuBat3

@1bto+1nsuBat3

Your IPhone ie.. cell phone is wireless to the cell tower, the cell tower is fed by copper or fiber (wireline) from a central office. Don’t feel bad because many other people are uneducated on how the network is built, a lot of them work for telecom too. There can be variations to this simple explanation but usually at some point wireline feeds nearly everything. SS7 signaling is here to stay for the foreseeable future so for now the switches in the CO’s aren’t going away as much as leadership would like them too but they are consolidating them in each office.

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Post ID: @1wyf+1nsuBat3

Expecting more tech layoffs in the core after the MOA between the Company and Union expires sometime next year, 2024.

Nice. SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!

`All employees are going to be expected to cover more work moving forward
since backfills are limited and there is a chronic hiring freeze.`

It's overtime opportunity for those who want to make money.
In the West overtime is optional unless they force the entire workgroup. Even then there is a limit to the number of hours forced.

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Post ID: @1kbf+1nsuBat3

Where can I plug in the wireline into my iPhone?

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Post ID: @1bto+1nsuBat3

Verizon was smart to dump wireline 10 yrs ago (I.e. Frontier).

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Post ID: @1fnb+1nsuBat3

You first say “the last mile wireless internet, whatever that is, “
Then you say “requires fiber just like the 5G small cells. now you might have some wireless backhaul between antennaes but thats about it.”

If you don’t know what it is “ whatever that is” don’t answer…tool

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Post ID: @sof+1nsuBat3

fixed wireless is not a bad product, it was bad capacity managers that made it fail. you cant run 6 sectors of fixed along with the LTE traffic on one Gbe circuit. i imagine someone received a nifty bonus for money saved on those projects.

the last mile wireless internet, whatever that is, requires fiber just like the 5G small cells. now you might have some wireless backhaul between antennaes but thats about it.

sadly for some employees, we will probably fair better overall as a wholesale provider.

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Post ID: @dpp+1nsuBat3

The only viable business unit T has is mobility..period. Wireline AND Fiber will be a thing of the past with roll out of last mile wireless internet access. This is happening now, its only lags due to infrastructure build out, radios , and connectivity to towers, that’s it. Everything else is done. Mobility margins have been consistently eroding and that won’t stop, simply Google MVNO for any carrier and compare pricing. T and V are way out of line and are hugging sand. The writing is one the wall folks, it’s easy to ignore if you have no other plan for your career, but it will eventually hit people over the head at the worst possible time.

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Post ID: @mut+1nsuBat3

Telecom fiber dreams are going bye bye. most people I know don't have Wireline products.

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Post ID: @upp+1nsuBat3

Don’t worry as soon as they get more customers moved over to fiber the prices will start escalating.

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Post ID: @yfe+1nsuBat3

I think another, often overlooked aspect is that the fiber is also sold at an extremely low margin. ARPU just isn’t there. In short, you have to sell a lot more to make the revenue you once did, while the value per dollar is also shrinking. Some would call that a death spiral.

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Post ID: @epo+1nsuBat3

In my neighborhood 6 years ago yards tore up ans new copper bored and pulled in, 5 years ago same thing for fiber conduit, however not one home in the area can get reliable internet. On the other side of the neighborhood along a major road an other fiber project, however the contractors said they are not putting it in for att. He said he was the brother of the owner of the company and they won't work for att because they demand below cost work and they can't pay the help what they need to. He att used to pay 60 days out then it was 90 or more so his brother won't work for them.

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Post ID: @pna+1nsuBat3

"Stankey stressed that AT&T has been able to hit penetration rates of 30% "relatively quickly" with fiber, but acknowledged that the "next 20% takes a little bit longer."

10/2022

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Post ID: @qyl+1nsuBat3

Maybe the higher interest rates are a bigger factor in all these layoffs than I previously thought. This company cannot seem to build out without the banks.

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Post ID: @dra+1nsuBat3

I believe the OP is correct in the amount of fiber coverage across all AT&T, approximately 30%. I’ve seen the same % stated in news articles or company officers in statements/interviews over last couple of years.

Recent statements and goal by company officials is to reach 30 million fiber points of contact or potential customers by end of the current ongoing project. There has been some pullback recently in capital outlay for various fiber projects due to FCF misses.

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Post ID: @mji+1nsuBat3

“and it’s still barely over 30% of coverage for AT&T’s 22 state area. ”

How old are the stats you’re quoting? We haven’t had a 22 state area for almost a decade.

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Post ID: @xna+1nsuBat3

They told us at CP training that one of the contingencies is the company running short on cash for fiber upgrades.

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Post ID: @aqx+1nsuBat3

All employees are going to be expected to cover more work moving forward
since backfills are limited and there is a chronic hiring freeze.

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Post ID: @hsq+1nsuBat3

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