Thread regarding Ford layoffs

is it a Scam? Or Inefficiency? or Lack of Technical Leadership? at Cloud Platform (Connected Vehicle Software - Model E)

At Ford, we have been emphasizing the importance of cost-cutting and saving money to protect jobs. However, in one part of our company, the Cloud Platform (Model E) division, it appears that we are allocating a significant budget to a tool called Splunk, even when free alternatives are available. According to our Chief (Mr. LL3), the majority of our applications (approximately 60-70%) have transitioned to the Google Cloud Platform (GCP). GCP provides observability capabilities similar to Splunk, and these are included in the computing cost.

Despite this, almost all of our applications and services continue to use Splunk for monitoring purposes. This choice incurs a cost of approximately $6 per day for every 1 GB of data. If all our applications collectively consume 10,000 GB of data, it translates to a daily expense of $60,000 or a monthly cost of $1.8 million.

The pressing question here is why we are spending so much when GCP offers comparable monitoring capabilities for free. This situation raises concerns about the effectiveness of our technical leadership. If Mr. LL3 is unable to make more cost-effective technical decisions, perhaps it's time for him to consider stepping down. Doing so might enable us to allocate these funds more wisely and potentially save jobs.

OR - is there a personal gain involved in this spending? Food for thoughts!!!

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To support a cr-p product,you need a cr-p product and to support that cr-p you need a cr-p called ll3

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Post ID: @5khi+1oXEd9yF

This all goes back with Ford hiring outside “experts” from hotels, home improvement big box chains, car rentals, etc. with little experience in large manufacturing enterprises. Plus, they forced-out employees with years of experience. The new IT outsiders LL4/3/2s have a chip on their shoulder and they hire/bring own friends and citizen to milk Ford out. Of course they have to recommend their own tools to prove to the hiring manager that he/she made a “good decision”.

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You can argue that it's better for the enterprise to use a single tool but the problem with Ford IT is onboarding is so fragmented and inconsistent, and barely anyone is willing to support migrations for anything but the most common denominator.

We are being pushed hard into Google Cloud but application teams are completely left to their own devices to figure out where to get base images, deployment strategies, how to rearchitect their code to serverless, how to use Terraform, how the GCP permissions model works, and yes, also how to set up logging.

Even if some group in ITO is pushing Splunk, you will be hard pressed to find any greenfield projects using it, because it's yet another thing they will have to onboard. Thus you spend ~1.8 million on the subset of projects that elect to use it, meanwhile everyone else is using a mix of tools, from GCP Log Explorer to Splunk to Dynatrace to SRE Logging to text files on a mainframe... the argument that it provides consistency falls through when presented with the reality of the Ford environment.

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Post ID: @2maj+1oXEd9yF

If OP understood IT, they would know why Splunk is being used. Splunk, as a monitoring tool, can be used to monitor applications in cloud environments or server environments.

Ford has more than one cloud environment (GCP and Microsoft Azure) and still also has some applications in traditional server environments. The free tools with GCP can only monitor apps in GCP.

By using Splunk everywhere to monitor, you can have a standard tool instead on having to monitor separate tools and have employees trained in many different tools.

In large data environments, it is often not worth it to save such little money (yes, 1.8 million is small amount with such large amounts of data) versus the hassles, complexity , and cost of maintenance of multiple tools.

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Post ID: @1quf+1oXEd9yF

Where is “Mr. LL3” home base? If his home base is Palo Alto, then that would explain it.

ITO is also using Splunk!

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Post ID: @1xvw+1oXEd9yF

An FCG or 2 or 3 should be put in charge of Model E. We could get the same results as with DF, for a big savings.

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Post ID: @1ytb+1oXEd9yF

“DF was given the job to create the key activity in the company and it is and will thrive.”

Please explain for the rest of us, now that DF has been here over two years, what exactly is this key activity he has created and what metric shows it is thriving?

I’ll wait for your response, forever.

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Post ID: @inq+1oXEd9yF

Model e is still in building mode, so I would not put blame on Model e as an organization, or any of its leadership. DF was given the job to create the key activity in the company and it is and will thrive. You all should be cheering for this since as the most important group that has the most profit making potential at Ford, the company's future depends on it.

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Post ID: @ror+1oXEd9yF

Ford used to get in the most back a$$word contracts. We once had a deal to pay mazda money to build Probes even if we did not build them. I think ZF had a deal to get paid for DPS6 transmissions we did not build. Similar deal with the VCT transmissions. All kinds of crazy deals with Navistar.

We also knowingly built Windstars vans with quarantined transmissions because we did not want to shut the line down. I spent a week with a team of engineers evaluating every vehicle to make sure the transmission shifts were good enough to pass on to the customer.

We had Bosch sell us the software to run our engines and transmissions. The sales pitch must have been out of this world. We tried it for a year or so and ran it to so many issues with was not worth it. Everytime we found an issues Bosch said we need a new software patch that was not part of the original deal.. We were sold sneakers without laces.

Somewhere there is a blue dress with splunk on it...

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Post ID: @uyq+1oXEd9yF

So for a couple of million/month why wouldn't Ford (being visionary and all) invest in it's own "cloud". Seeing as how the cloud is a euphemism for your data being hosted on somebody else's storage device and trolled through by somebody else's data mining. OR maybe this works little differently dot dot dot, Does Ford sell customer data to the big G in a little tête-à-tête?

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Post ID: @mst+1oXEd9yF

6 bucks per gig? sweeetheart deal for the sellers. deeetroit gravy train.

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