Thread regarding Ford layoffs

Hydrogen requires far more electricity than battery electric vehicles. They also have limited ranges as the energy density, even under extremely high pressures, is not very good. Oh, and that hydrogen is quite expensive due to the energy needed to produce it and you can only buy it from a filling station.

No thanks.

@3xkz anyone who writes “y’all” needs an education on communication skills.

Former President George W. Bush promoted the hydrogen alternative y'all are discussing. It went nowhere, rejected. What makes y'all think it would be accepted now?

@1sjf+1p4xkMBY the major reason why countries don't want to use nuclear is because a lot of it is extremely efficient.
so that means less money can be extracted from people because of it.

some submarines are nuclear powered and require refuelling every 20 years or so.

you can't make more money from something efficient like that.
if people actually want green energy. we would have to ditch all this inefficient, low durability and expensive alternatives and go straight to nuclear.

Thermodynamics lesson,

Energy out = energy in + losses due to entropy

To derive energy from burning hydrogen gas, it must be made available as H2 by separating from oxygen with energy.

Time and pressure have done much of the work for us in providing us with fossil fuels from available shale oil, gas and crude oil (“dinosaur sauce”)

Solar , wind, renewables, are possible, to provide maybe 25% (upper limit) depending on sunlight and wind conditions and additional significant investment in technology and storage costs.

We are gonna need nuclear energy after all. Sorry Greenpeace.

kaboom...that blowed up real good...

By reasonable sized vehicle and drive less.

UAW should be walking "Hydrogen is the future" placards on the picket line!

rxr+1 seems to be betting against the US Government and the hydrogen hubs.

Hindenburg? That was in 1937. I think we progressed a bit since then - but good try on a Friday the 13th to scare people! H2 is way better than digging up 250 tons of ore to make a single battery pack lol.

If you work iin this industry, this is the path towards keeping your job!

I'll say it again, BEV time has come and I am pleased that Ford Model e is going all in. Just look at the success of Tesla. They got a head start on us but Ford will catch up quickly. The transformation plan already shows that path.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/13/bidens-hydrogen-hubs-will-get-7-billion-california-houston-more.html

Looks like there's a better way!

There are MANY ways to make hydrogen. LOL, self igniting batteries are not risky though.

Look, there are super heat patented hydrogen production plants that can make copious amounts of it and exist today. Do some research on nuke plant extensibility. Yep Elon could see Tesla in a big hurt with a few billion in R&D to make, store it, use H2 with safety.

Yeah, where do you get hydrogen. The most common form is H2O…

you need energy to break the bonds between H and O… the. Glue them back together somehow.

Simple chemistry.

Safe storage of compressed or liquified hydrogen is another whole matter. It tends to leak out as it is a tiny molecule. Cant store/park it in your garage or you will have a Hindenburg type of risky situation.

Elon says hydrogen is a waste. The energy it takes to produce makes it not efficient.