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Whatever you do, start job shopping NOW, or find friends at other companies. As much as employers deny it.....they don't like to hire laid off people. The biggest problem is that Cisco, like many other companies, doesn't just cut the bottom performers......they cut good performers also. And therein lies the problem: employers don't know if you are good or bad....they just know you are laid off, and therefore look at you with caution. It's messed up....especially for the good performers. The tech industry as a whole has become a cesspool of bad managers and bad HR.
Cisco is a sinking ship, toxic environment. Thick management layers but weak resources in sales.
Cisco is sinking so rapidly. The world knows that already!
Toxic managers and directors. Toxic HR. Since they've been at Cisco for too long, they've become so numb and stupid. They've even lost sense and wisdom. Useless and Hopeless!
You deserve a nice PR position at Cisco, kids from third world would find it attractive for their future career path.
Looking at the past 10 years ago. I know lots of Cisco folks got laid off (surprisingly). Lots of them ended up at competitors and other techs. I know some being in extremely good situation than those who could stay (and continue to stay). Can't speak for others.
Do research of stock price now vs 10 years ago; then, you know where Cisco is compared to other techs. And go to blind to check if it deserves the title of best workplace.
If you hope for lay-off, it may be good move. Just believe in yourself.
Disclaimer: I am one of those who could stay.
that is only you, please only speak for yourself. Two people recently turned down their offers from Cisco, they have better offers elsewhere.
I think it’s natural for anyone who is halfway decent at their job to think “If I get laid off, who cares? I can always go easily find another job.”
SPOILER ALERT
It ain’t always that easy. The same way people are ignorant and think that only bad performers get laid off, people think that only unqualified workers are out of work for months at a time.
A quick LinkedIn scroll will tell you otherwise. Now I’m not telling you that Cisco is the best place to work. I’m just saying be careful what you wish for. Countless people in tech have gotten laid off over the past couple of years and would love to have a job at Cisco right now.
Cisco is a sinking ship, toxic environment. Thick management layers but weak resources in sales.
"I am blessed to have a great manager otherwise I would’ve left this place a long time ago. It’s rare I know but there are a few out there."
A very genuine post, very few good managers inside Cisco, a sinking ship.
I am blessed to have a great manager otherwise I would’ve left this place a long time ago. It’s rare I know but there are a few out there.
Yep, not all of them but there are tons of “engineers” like that at Cisco in very senior technical positions who couldn’t do engineering if their life depended on it. A lot of them don’t know the first thing about engineering principles or have any professional engineering qualifications. They’re simply politicians inside Cisco with good PPT skills.
Getting LR'd has NOTHING to do with motivation.
Motivation without knowledge and skills can be worse than deadwood. It's not the deadwood checking in all the breakage that resulted in the vast majority of the development budget going to bug fixing, and too many now think that bug fixing constitutes "development skills." Cisco is doing far more damage to many of you by keeping you than you realize.
And to the "top performer" Principal Engineers who write white papers to say nothing more than "security is important because without security things would be insecure" you are neither a principal nor an engineer.
" Laid off = low ball offers from recruiters "
No difference between quit, fired and laid off.
Bottom line, you will always get better pay outside Cisco.
Cisco is having 5 people doing the same job requires only 1 person outside of Cisco, 4 out of these 5 are considering fat.
Laid off = low ball offers from recruiters
Control your own job search, and don't wait for a Cisco severance.
Depends on how long you’ve been there. Less than 10 years, it’s a toss up because you get the same payout from 1- 10 years. (~ 5 months) More than 11 yrs you get 1week for each additional year of service, you decide but you can stay and keep working…skill up and have Cisco pay for it. You’ll eventually be hit and will get a generous pay out if you take the early leave date. Also, if you aren’t already, bank as much $$ as you can to financially be ready.
As time goes, the payouts will dwindle. Play the game just like Cisco is.
Getting LR'd has NOTHING to do with motivation. G0d help those under your "command". You sound like a Great Leader; almost ready for service North of the 38th Parallel.
I can tell written English was never your strong suit. Good thing your tech skills are good!
Leave. I was one of the "bottom of the barrel" LR'd chosen five years ago. TAC. Hired at +30% more than Cisco, and before my PC turn in day. Now my main focus is taking Cisco firewall and core configurations and migrating that functionality to other vendor firewalls. I get great joy in seeing a customer's Cisco total spend decrease usually 75% over the course of two to three years. I love my job. I also love getting compensated for all the new non-Cisco gear my customers switch to.
Foolish Cisco. I loved my job their and you kicked me out. Plus I was d@mn good at it; so shame on you. Still convinced I was canned in most lart because I am a big caucasian conservative. Really.
Be careful what you wish for. The grass is not (always) greener on the other side of the fence.
Cisco deserves d-ead-beat workers
When you have a company is going down to the toi-lets, you’re deserving bottom of 10% from marketplace
Just leave. As a hiring manager, I would not hire someone who has been laid off. Bottom
of the barrel motivation and bottom 10%. Control your exit and remember to leave on good terms - I get a backdoor references on everyone I hire.
It’s a parasite mentality, nobody puts a g-n to your head to stay or quit.
It’s a parasite mentality, nobody puts a gut to your head to stay or quit.
Many good people left Cisco exactly don’t want to be around toxic parasitic people. Free paychecks can only last so long.
Yes. You just admitted you’re too lazy to even quit and want a free check.
If you have to ask others for confirmation of your convictions,
you have BIGGER PROBLEMS ...
Yes, it is wrong.
No, not wrong. Half of company feel the same. Also depends on your age.
It's a sign that it's time to move on. Make sure you're bulking up on your skills and professional network, and once you know you're in shape start the job search. While more money is always great you really need to be looking at each jump as a way to grow your career so a place in which you can grow while not hating every waking hour even without a package or major wage increase can still be a win. If you get one or both of a package and a wage increase all the better.
Trying to jump after you've already been laid off is going to be more difficult and if you haven't already done the preparation you could be in trouble. Layoffs are the way business has been done for 40 years so no matter how good things look where ever you are it's always a risk to which you should be ready to respond. Never get complacent.