My simple answer is No. I have many software that requires X86. I want to use them as I do not want to use some of subscription models with newer software. In addition, there are many legacy games. Also with the efficiency argument, it only applies to the CPU to some extent. With workloads like AI inference, NPU and GPU are more important. Intel addresses that with their tile design. With Lunar and Panther Lakes, the CPU efficiency will also be significantly better. All day battery life is likely. This is all I want.
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I just bought an Apple MacBook Air which has ARM CPU. I love it so much that I will probably never touch any Intel laptop again until it can make a better CPU at zero nano meter process node 😀
You sound like a GM or Ford man, but America so what the world has past them and Intel by, by or not Intel x86 and IDM 2.0 and IFS is a failed strategy.
Did anyone tell Pat good execution on a failed strategy will end in FUBAR
Your logic could work in an Intel meeting but not in reality.
This is a solved problem for Windows: x86 software runs transparently on ARM with JIT.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are simply ignorant instead of trolling. But for many common business and enterprise workloads, JIT either doesn't solve the problem, or leaves you with something that barely runs.
X86 is going to be sought after for years. Certainly long enough that RISC-V will be an obvious contender against Arm, so it isn't even clear if Arm will triumph.
@1zwf+1pkWAGkp a smartphone isn't a PC. Try to follow on topic.
Pretty good analysis/commentary to the current situation:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/30/arm_intel_comment/
Free market economy, consumer choice. In the end, consumers will decide whether ARM PC survives.
Past decade mindset from old outdated technology. Who wants to compete with that? Let move on to the future competition landscape with ARM architect dominant from mobile, laptop and servers. Are you ready for competition?
Architecture All Access: Meteor Lake – 3D Performance Hybrid Architecture & Thread Director
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_IYTJzrnI
https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-meteor-lake-igpu-gaming-performance/
What kind of smartphone do you use?
Don't matter what YOU want. People want better Performance Per Watt and Intel is simply NOT it, bruh.
Qualcomm is claiming better top end perf vs x86 at 70% less power.
That’s clean ki-l.
That will drive people to the product.
I agree that simple parity won’t cut it.
They need substantial advantage and they appear to have it.
Ok “Vinyl Guy” The overall issue is not about you. The x86 software you love will be obsolete in 4 years tops. Arm is a better product and the consumer knows it.
What is your logic? If an argument cannot be made on a layoff forum, that ARM will not win? If Snapdragon X delivers on similar power and performance as the Apple M series - and it's looking like it might - it is game over for x86 on mobile. This is not just any ARM, unfortunately. This is an architecture created by Apple employees that left Apple and created their own company after developing their new uarch. Qualcomm acquired that company to bring the benefits to their ARM offerings. If the real world results are anywhere close to the numbers they are touting, it's going to get rough.
@1pdz+1pkWAGkp You are not making an argument to support buying an ARM PC. There will be people buying ARM PC. But I don't to see a need to buy an one. For connectivity, you already has a 5G phone that can act as a hot spot. Plus, having an extra sim card requires more spending. For work, I prefer desktop for the capability to run large software like Revit, Adobe suite, compiling code, and etc.
An Intel employee won’t buy an ARM laptop? Okay, but this is not how you deal with competition. Brand loyalty is nice but what Intel needs from employees is hard work and dedication to your craft. No more coasting.
@ctk+1pkWAGkp If the product performance is comparable, I will choose one without emulation, just to avoid some of potential issues. I will choose X86. Previously, I was actually thinking about buying the Qualcomm surface laptop. Once I heard about the software issues, I did not go ahead.
This is a solved problem for Windows: x86 software runs transparently on ARM with JIT.
Intel can also swap out the CPU part in their title architecture with the latest ARM's design if there is a market/client that requires it:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-foundry-arm-announce-multigeneration-collaboration-leading-edge-soc-design.html
Unlike AMD, they can design and build it.
@ian+1pkWAGkp It is not whether it is ARM or X86. Intel needs to build better products, i.e. all day battery life, AI inference, solid GPU, vast software ecosystem, and low cost. I don't buy Qualcomm's demo as no one runs their laptops with all cores running at full speed. Intel's tile architecture makes sense. Different parts of the tile are attending different workloads. Hence arguing ARM vs X86 makes little sense as for many workloads, it is not about CPU. Once Intel switches to 18A, their CPU will be competitive enough for consumers. They need further advance their NPU and GPU tiles.
Apple is taking share against wintel PCs.
This is pretty undeniable regardless of your personal preferences.
Qualcomm/Nuvia will do much more damage since they offer windows compatibility.
The writing is on the wall. Even AMD is building ARM chips.