I don't really like my current role or manager and have found something I would be more interested. Should I tell my current manager or apply / talk to new manager first and then try to interview without telling my current manager?
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Oh, just sue them first
and if they dare to block your move, sue more
If you don’t respect your LL6 and LL5 then respectfully you are doing yourself long-term damage by staying in the position. Apply for other positions externally. Apply for internal positions, if the hiring manager wants you.
Trust me on this, you will inevitably erode to the point that your former self does even not respect you if you continue working for and with people you do not respect.
Yes your LL6 and LL5 will attempt to block you. Yes if they are unsuccessful at blocking you they will conduct a whisper campaign @Ford to attempt to sink your Ford career. Yes if you leave the company they will try to sabotage your career at your new employer. The odds are your new boss will see thru the antics of your LL6 and LL5.
And yes dear readers, if you do get put on the layoff list by your LL6 and LL5 they will attempt to sabotage your future career prospects so zip your lips about interviews and such with all your prior Ford coworkers.
And lastly these LL6 and LL5 will delightedly recount to social groups for years how they fired you (the no good b-m). Seriously an LL5 recounted over and over to our bicycling group how one guy never did any work and was incompetent - the guy was a rock star tech spec who had a higher paying job within 2 weeks of being fired.
I was blocked repeatedly by my LL5. It was a dysfunctional department with bad stuff going on. I finally quit after getting blocked a 4th time. I just walked out and left my laptop in my supervisors cube. I sent a separation email to my manager and HR after I got home.
The transfers that I’ve had were because a manager reached out to me to say a position was going to be posted and they hoped I would apply. I was told, off the record of course, that postings are a formality and that the posting manager typically already knows who they want to hire. In the same conversation I was told that in the rare cases when a position is posted with no one in mind it’s because it’s a job no one wants and the behind the scenes networking didn’t get results.
Your PL will get email notification as soon as you apply, so what’s the point of not telling them?
Most jobs worth having are filled BEFORE the post. Interviews are a perfunctory check the box. IF a candidate has not already been lined up, the job &/ manager is a garbage job or with a section nobody wants anything to do with and they are desperate for a warm body. Taking a job like that, if you make it through the process needs to be understood it is going to be he-l and you need to survive 2 years and run.
Telling your current manager about it would be the very last thing you would do if everything else went smoothly. It would be perceived as betrayal, not a team player (not in this team, anyhow), etc. Your manager looks bad if people start jumping ship, and has to put effort into finding another su---r to work for him. The very last approval has to come from him, though, don't be surprised if he blocks it. To answer your original question, I would speculate that yes, this might increase your chances of being laid off, but at this point it shouldn't matter, obviously you're not happy in your current role.
Only once have I brought up an internal transfer to my LL6. He essentially told me the LL5 would block me and to consider how the LL5 may treat me going forward (i.e retaliation).
Of course retaliation is against the code of conduct, of course I told HR, of course nothing happened.
I think it wont matter, I tried to transfer out a few months before I got laid off. The other area had LOTS of openings. I interviewed with a few supervisors, but nothing came of it. I'm convinced they had me on a do not hire list. I was more than qualified for the jobs I applied for. And they cant say they already found another candidate, since they were looking for 5+ people for the same job (they had multiple openings). I didnt tell my current manager about the other area. I found out who had the job and emailed them, asked if we could have a short meeting to talk about the job they had. I officially applied for a few jobs. Of course got turned down. Didnt care if my current manager found out, I already had that feeling of impending doom (job cuts). I was like you in a job I was re-orged into and didnt fit, and I hated my manager.
Message or call the hiring manager first… most of the time the hiring manager already has the candidate lined up and are just listing the job to jump through HR loopholes