Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Just the facts about Layoffs

The thing that's always overlooked in the Cisco layoffs is the negative customer impact. I'm not minimizing the employee impact in any way. It's got to be absolutely horrible, and it will probably be me someday. I'm a white male in my early 50s.

Part of what's driving the layoffs is a poor performance from Cisco because they've gotten rid of so many really good and results-oriented people. I can't believe how many have been impacted in the past few years. Real, rock star performing employees were just the wrong age and demographic. They resonated with customers who saw the value of Cisco through them. Now, there's less business after terminating those that add value to customers who, in return, spend less.

This is especially true in Customer Experience. Salespeople cringe at trying to sell these snake oil services. It takes excellent sales and support to sell and renew the snake oil portfolio, yet they eliminate the people who know the customer and their business. They also keep promoting services leadership that can't lead their way out of a wet paper bag.

Last week, I saw a post on LinkedIn with Alistair Wildman; I cringed at his fake message: he's the king of snake oil. He's a horrible leader; he only cuts costs by cutting great people. He did the same thing in Europe; then they brought him here. He brought in Harry Caldwell and Jason Mclaren, equally incompetent people in services who are packaged as leaders. No one views them as leaders nor respects them, especially sales, and I'm certain those working for them. I'm sure they have their su-k-ups. There were far better people at the VP level who were natural leaders than Harry and Jason, but they got pushed aside. It's likely they don't drink the cool aid and actually care about customers. The current services leadership is the absolute worst I've ever seen in all my years at Cisco!

Cisco's services used to be world-class. Now, they want lower and lower grade levels, but not the experience that resonates with customers. The post on LinkedIn was something about customer success, in which Alistair and his su-k-ups are all talk, as they cut the performers just like our sales organization; only good people seem to go.

Then there's TAC....don't get me started on how that's been ruined; it's horrible, and again, they've cut the good people. The employees there are still excellent, but they've gutted the organization by lowering grade levels, and there are too few of them. Every customer I interface with complains about TAC.

About a month ago, a coworker commented that she was taking a course with her daughter and stated, "I'm going to be 52 in a couple of months, and you know how Cisco is with people in their 50s."

It could be any of us in this next round; performance doesn't matter, but those outside of a certain age (under 50) and demographic are less likely to be impacted. However, our Cisco customers will also be seriously negatively impacted.

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Post ID: @OP+1qQxIAbu

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Did you mean to say young hungry talent?

Just the facts - lay off the bottom 10% and bring in young hungry talent.

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Post ID: @6qbw+1qQxIAbu

"Bring young hungry talent"

I'm gonna guess you never read the code. What a frickin mess it is. Zero fun in maintaining such a monumental technical debt. It's bloated with millions (!!!) of lines of open-source libs, legacy junk, acquisition IP, you name it It's in there.

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Post ID: @2ksr+1qQxIAbu
Just the facts - lay off the bottom 10% and bring in young hungry talent.

If you're measuring bottom 10% against all software developers at all companies, Cisco would lose almost its entire software staff. Since Cisco knows nothing about meaningful software metrics they'd never be able to figure out which are the few worth keeping. The technical and managerial leaders perpetuating this disaster grew up in it so even if you completely replace the rank and file nothing will get better.

Only a small percentage of the "hungry talent" miss the red flags during the interview stage and buy the bait and switch routine Cisco has been running for over two decades and they leave after months, not years.

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Post ID: @1umj+1qQxIAbu

Layoff bottom 10% and bring hungry young ones? Haha, no hungry young people would want a job at Cisco. Not even bottom 10% young people from this society would want to join Cisco. Dream on!

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Post ID: @1tiw+1qQxIAbu

Just the facts - lay off the bottom 10% and bring in young hungry talent.

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Post ID: @1mlj+1qQxIAbu

Just not a normal way of doing business having ongoing annual rounds of layoffs. Negative impacts all over the place.. also shows lack of good management and market foresight. Weird.

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Post ID: @1kci+1qQxIAbu

If Cisco is disproportionately laying off people of a certain age, isn’t that age discrimination? Asking for a friend.

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Post ID: @1ouu+1qQxIAbu

@1dqj+1qQxIAbu Collab and security were always tiny for Cisco so it’s no big loss.

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Post ID: @1bpy+1qQxIAbu

Let go five plus years ago now, ex-TAC. Work on small/medium sized customers. Most of work is move customers off of Cisco ASA and core to Palo & Fortinet. Few customers renew with Cisco. Never thought would have seen these days. My Cisco experience did pay off, just did not expect it to be this way in deciphering existing Cisco setups to go to other vendors. Now customers are doing phase two of moves and weaning off of Webex and UC for Zoom/Teams and other vendor SIP products. Seeing it over and over, never thought would have seen the day, but busy as crud migrating the above across a dozen customers in four states now.

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Post ID: @1dqj+1qQxIAbu

Promotions were always dangerous. Once you make grade 12, you are on the top of the list for an LR. They can magically decide you are not "doing grade 12 works" and find yourself out the door

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Post ID: @1uar+1qQxIAbu

Did anything ever come from the Transformation organisation which was run by one of the CX VPs?
I left last Summer, but along with what the OP has said the Transformation organisation was another reason I left it seemed to be set up with great fanfare, but had little confidence in what it was going to achieve.
Sadly, what was common in my last few years at Cisco a lot of talk to rouse the troops, but when you boiled down all the hype nothing more innovative being presented than what an average first year college business studies student could create.

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Post ID: @xol+1qQxIAbu

It is concerning to observe that colleagues over 50 appear to be disproportionately affected by layoffs (LR). This demographic represents a wealth of experience and knowledge, crucial to both the culture and success of Cisco. Their unique insights and deep understanding of the business are invaluable, and it's disheartening to see such skilled and seasoned professionals being singled out in this way. Their contributions are fundamental to our collective achievements and the rich diversity of our workplace. I’ts very depressing!

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Post ID: @kug+1qQxIAbu

Whoever you are that wrote this, kudos to you for calling out these chuckleheads. 100% spot on with your assessment.

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Post ID: @afd+1qQxIAbu

Customer used to love Cisco in the old days. Customers lately have grown to hate Cisco and look for other options if possible. The brand is very different now than 10, 20 years ago.

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Post ID: @ieq+1qQxIAbu

Splunk!

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Post ID: @ftp+1qQxIAbu

To the OP, it has come to a sad reality that I agree on all facts with you. I see the tac side of things most. And we see the cust sat just tanking and no one seems to care one bit

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Post ID: @vug+1qQxIAbu

Why do you still work here?

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Post ID: @bst+1qQxIAbu

For two decades, Cisco's leadership has rested on the laurels of Cisco's legacy networking business. Despite many market transitions over that period - opening the door for Cisco to enter new growth markets, Cisco failed to take advantage of each and every one of them.

This failure occurred because of the people Cisco put into leadership positions and their inability to create new businesses. They were all care takers with no appetite for the work required to create new businesses. This was particularly the case within sales. They could not wrap their heads around selling anything other than tin.

This started at the top with John Chambers. Instead of putting a stake in the ground and investing for success in growth markets, he hoped his boards and councils could create magic fairy dust and propel Cisco into the future.

Unfortunately, those remaining at Cisco are left to work in a company managing its inevitable decline. Every decision is going to be made through the lens of cost reduction because the legacy networking business can no longer carry the costs it once did when it was in growth mode. The opportunity to take advantage of that cash cow to fund new growth markets is long gone.

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Post ID: @eao+1qQxIAbu

There are incentives for those that carry out LRs. Wall Street loves when companies reduce their workforce.

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Post ID: @hwf+1qQxIAbu

It's not just age, it's a cost of sales reduction. Unfortunately for them, the job market isn't super strong in tech right now - so their compensation move to weed out top earners hasn't worked quite like they hoped it would (unattainable goaling + .75 on the dollar compensation up to 75% for those not familiar).

Now they're forced to do a sales-focused layoff to get their CSAPers into the field en masse and dramatically lower their opex/cost of sales. They've already placed their sales template policies so the young g-ns with little/no experience can just follow basic daily/weekly/monthly activity programs and do just as good as these high experience, top performing sales reps costing Cisco so much money. You'll see these policies underneath names like "Cisco End to End Sales Methodology", "Meddpicc", "Mandatory SFDC Deal Notes", "Growth Sprints", etc.

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