How come you expect us to be loyal now that you have treated us like sh-t all year? Lay off people bot based on merit but who you’re in bed with
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Awe its just time for the Ford good ole-boys club to do the annual update of whose allowed into their treehouse.
Just look around and you can identify Spanky, Alfalfa, Porky and Buckwheat in our leadership. It’s the Ford equivalent of the He-Man Woman-Haters Club. But shhhh the Ford FnF boys club does not exist LOL.
There was a recent British study that said it would take 283 years for British non-white-male workers to obtain parity with British white-male workers. I suspect if they studied Ford workers the result would be a quarter past never.
Age discrimination is real. So I would say, yes, there are many people over 50 that just needed to work a couple more years that would go back.
@4aki+1qdo0Vdj. Could they? Why would they want to go back to that mess?
"recovery will be just about impossible"
They could rehire the good people over 50 that they dumped.
But they're too stupid.
The company has been d-mbed down by it's policy that promotes and/or hires based on DEI and/or nepotism. You can only do that for so many rotations before you're left with a completely inept organization. That's where we are at now, recovery will be just about impossible.
@2iwi+1qdo0Vdj Dude if you are seriously being recruited to take a LL6 position, give it a hard pass. The majority of the LL6 are incompetent political picks. Like clockwork they gang up on outsiders coming in and sabotage them. You may be thinking, oh but my LL5 who is recruiting me will have my back. Maybe, Maybe not. But guaranteed the LL5’s peers will not have your back and there is a group of LL5s who “vote” on your merit increase etc in the compensation and rating type meetings. In addition the LL5s are rotated every few years and then your protection is gone.
Think Hunger games
Does Ford use the same Harvard model of organizational leadership that we saw when the prez of Harvard testified in front of congress and we found out she is both a plagiarist and a woke DEI cult member? I think the answer is mostly yes.
I am from outside Ford and have recruiters interested in me for LL6 position.... don't know if I would take it or not based on I know how Ford LL is. What is being said is right... mostly a bunch of showy game players with not much technical compentenc.
The below post is spot on target.
The LL5 and LL6 in my area are clueless and have been promoted because they were recommend by the previous useless LL6, LL5.
They need to fill the LL6, LL5 positions with outside people to brake the chain of self serving ignorance.
Ford follows the Harvard model for organizational leadership. It may have been useful and valid when Ford with GM and Chrysler had little or small competition. However, Ford and GM never adapted even when Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc. got strong in the 90's and changed the auto industry with luxury calines as Lexus, Accord, Infiniti. Japan and Europe have a totally different promotion system. Ford in particular, still relies on selecting college grads to be FCG's but the very essence of the selection process misses in identifying the key qualities for a 21st century technical leader. Promotions are given based on networking, having strong mentors pushing for their proteges. FCG's are promoted once they finish their master's degree (paid by Ford) it is harder for a agency converted engineer to get promoted from LL7 to LL8 even if he shines in the dark. FCG's get LL8 once they finish they rotations.
Hence, as many people have written, merits means nothing to be promoted if you are not part of the FCG group.
Then to be promoted to LL6, the system is rigged, most FCG's with support from a strong mentor enter the pool for LL6 promotion even if they do not have any qualifications for the position. But because the LL5 is choosing his new team member, it does not matter if the chosen one has no background for his new LL6 position as long as the manager likes him. I have seen people being promoted to positions where the guy had zero background compared with others who applied for the same position.
Also, Ford tend to promote people w/o ba--s, they are no leaders but more personnel administrators. Just a handful of people are true technical leaders and a smaller percentage are true people leaders.
Now, at senior mgmt, most of them were spoiled FCG's that had very strong mentors and ended up where they are today. In most cases, most of them have master's degrees that are useless for their positions and end up hiring Consulting Firms (Boston, Deloitte, etc) to do the heavy work de-organizing and creating new Slogan, Ford +, Fod 100, One Ford, Q is J1, etc.
Most of the Senior Mgmrs. just manage the process most of them have no clue of what happen at lower level and blame engineering for Q issues where the true root causes are in Purchasing procedures to select Suppliers, Ford and their suppliers Manufacturing inadequacies.
Instead of comparing how many people Ford has wrt GM or Chrysler, they should compare with Toyota or Honda and how they promote their technical leaders.
Ford recently hired a bunch of ex-Tesla engineers making LL3's salaries for the new EV's. One thing in common to all of them is that they are highly specialized, they know their stuff, their Ford counterparts pale in comparison to ex-Tesla gang. Ford LL6's, LL5's for EV programs are just a bunch of spoiled FCG's w/o technical depth. Regardless of the future of EV at Ford, the divisions with Q issues should look outside for true leaders instead of keeping promoting incompetent FCG's
"The type that will do anything to get promoted, except hard work at the actual job"
Overpaid supervisors, LL6's, LL5's just about collecting a check and waiting to retire and don't know or give damn about the people who do the work.
So very true!!
Ford is starting to see that last group of 30+ folks retiring. Sure there will be the folks that stay till they drop dead at their desks.. The teams I worked with were proud to do the best job. We bought the product we produced. Sorry to say I would not buy anything Ford built in the last 3 years. It is just overly complex poorly planned out junk.
We had good ideas but distraction like the train station, redesign of the engineering center, Hackett, Farley, Covid and the bully removal of our core leadership has tanked the company.
Its like the people giving Detroit to Coleman Young back in the Day.. Farley thinks he is Coleman Young Smart and it never works long term with a bully in the ranks. Hide those Gold Krugerrands!
Ford does tend to promote a “type”. The type that will do anything to get promoted, except hard work at the actual job. More than one axle took offense over the years when I wouldn’t play the expected game.
You would not believe how many TLs LLcs and analysts were screwing each other especially when they were in office. College grads participated with the the senior employees. Some grads got promoted with this strategy.