Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

"He called it the most toxic site on the internet"

He's likely trolling the, "Can they do that," comment.

Legg Org 12,853
FOW 12.76% (1,640)
FTO 72.88% (9,367)
TW 11.97% (1,539)

What is a FOW ?
Is FOW mostly Wave 1 folks that still need to move to a final hub ?
About 92+% of the FOWs are not currently in a final hub.

Let's try it....

Jeremy Legg - can you please explain how you continue to say "RTO is about collaboration" when you have teams in the US that are managed by Israel, and development teams that are made up of people in 4 different cities?

This site is not toxic. It is simply a mirror to the culture you are promoting.

Do you have the guts to talk about this site in your Town Hall? God forbid there be actual honesty, transparency and communication given to the employees. You know, the culture that is talked but no one believes.

I also love how Stankey blames the market for T stock woes.
He sounds like a bad options trader, blaming the market and everyone else for their bad decisions instead of looking inward and trying to analyze why the market is responding poorly and accepting they made a bad trade.

Maybe it’s the huge amount of debt you accrued? Maybe it’s the years of bad financial decisions you’ve made? Maybe it’s the inability the retain talent? Maybe it’s the lead pipes? Maybe it’s the insane pay you execs take while cutting actual talent that keeps the company running?

When I make bad trades, I’m forced to analyze why my trade went sideways, look at my choices and ways I could have responded better, things I could improve. Maybe if Stankey wants the stock price to improve he should stop blaming the market and instead blame himself and try to do better.

• “Sambar, in his most recent town hall, mentioned this site 2 times. He called it the most toxic site on the internet. We should start a topic “ Let’s Ask Chris” where people post questions addressed to him.”

There’s Blind too, and AT&T doesn’t have much of a better reputation there either.
Execs don’t like it because people actually speak their mind when allowed to speak anonymously. The truth comes out when you know you can speak freely without financial repercussions.

NO ONE likes how the company is being run, NO ONE (AVP and down that I’ve spoken to, directors, leads, experts, etc) think this RTO plan is a good idea.
EVERYONE I know sells AT&T stock the second it hits their 401k accounts and their RSU’s vest.
NO ONE thinks Stankey is a good CEO.

That’s the truth, maybe the numbskulls should listen?

I would ask him a question about the topic that ticks him off - the week of PTO that T took away. He even mentioned that again, sarcastically in a very recent town hall, stating he was surprised nobody asked a question about the week of PTO. I Would also ask why no Veterans Day statement from him and others. And, as a someone who proudly displays the American flag in his signature, how he can look himself in the mirror as he sends jobs overseas.

Sambar, in his most recent town hall, mentioned this site 2 times. He called it the most toxic site on the internet. We should start a topic “ Let’s Ask Chris” where people post questions addressed to him.

There are several execs that I am sure are smart enough to find and read these messages. But they are going to treat these like they treat the feedback of employees on company sites... they don't give a sh-t. I always laugh when people talk about "leadership" in reference to our executives. We don't have leaders. We have little Napoleons trying to hold on to their kingdoms. We can't have the peons thinking they have power, can we? They are happily sacrificing talent and knowledge for the goal of being powerful. I'm only staying long enough to hit the Rule of 75 for my pension, and then I'm out.

• “ I am not sensing any panic in the comments, just an FU attitude toward T, just like they have done to the employees, especially over the last 5 or so years. Sambar wonders why this is the most toxic site on the net, it is the toxic work environment spilling over to the internet.”

Sambar knows about this site? Exec level is aware?
Damn, I didn’t think they’d be able to open their own laptops or unlock their owns phones and stop looking over their wishful thinking reorganization plans put together by Ivy League 20 somethings long enough to actually look online and take the temperature of the room.

The need to relocate for continued employment at T has been known for a year now. Why is there still so much panic over the policy? All managers should know their decision at this point.

I am not sensing any panic in the comments, just an FU attitude toward T, just like they have done to the employees, especially over the last 5 or so years. Sambar wonders why this is the most toxic site on the net, it is the toxic work environment spilling over to the internet.

T cannot afford relocation packages.

• “Wave 2 is being accelerated since Wave 1 overall had such a low impact.”

It had low impact cause everyone lied and said they’d move…let’s see how many actually move…
Also, they handed out virtual designations like candy from what I saw, everyone I know who was affected got virtual.

Is there any data it was actually low impact?

Wave 2 is being accelerated since Wave 1 overall had such a low impact.

I honestly hope tons of people take advantage and don’t move and it causes the company a huge amount of disruption and loss.
There needs to be lessons and consequences with bad management decisions like these.

Good luck hiring young talented people and filling positions in Dallas with your rep this bad, high level talent does their research, and AT&T is considered garbo on apps where tech does research (Blind)

If AT&T actually wanted people to move and not just leverage this situation for their own benefit, they should have paid for relocation packages for everyone willing to move.
If half the people say they’re going to move, and don’t and AT&T has a ton of positions to fill come 2025 and spent a ton of cash keeping people on payroll who then just quit, that’s their own fault for not offering packages.

They’d have seen a lot more talented people actually make the move if they paid for it. The fact that they didn’t offer packages goes to show this has nothing to do with ‘collaboration’ and everything to do with it being a slow-silent layoff.

John Stankey is a liar; and knows remote work is just as productive as in-office work (at least for developers and other technical workers)

• “The need to relocate for continued employment at T has been known for a year now. Why is there still so much panic over the policy? All managers should know their decision at this point.”

AT&T has about the same follow through rate as a he---n addict trying to get sober.
Quite a few managers gave the advice of ‘wait and see, executives are notoriously unreliable and walk-back plans’ so, quite a few people have just been coasting while waiting to see what happens.

Guess I do have my plan, keep coasting while being selective about finding a job and up-leveling while AT&T pays for it since they refuse to do relocation packages, I’ll milk them for another $200k, fine by me.

" Proof of intent will be required such as confirming your current home has been listed on the market for several months."

Ridiculous, made-up statement.

T can't figure out how to pay people properly. Now they're monitoring private Real Estate transactions??

What about employees that don't own a home? How do they "prove" their intent? What about if I don't need/ want to sell my house? You're "requiring" me to sell my house?

Stop making things up.

The need to relocate for continued employment at T has been known for a year now. Why is there still so much panic over the policy? All managers should know their decision at this point.

RTO extension approvals will be highly unlikely if fraudulently claiming you intend to relocate. Proof of intent will be required such as confirming your current home has been listed on the market for several months.

Gotta get this company down to fighting weight.

What organizations and which offices are experiencing the 2nd wave of RTO last week of January?

Are these people outside of hub offices, or are some of them in hub offices as well?

I’m in a hub office, but heard of some kind of workforce reduction during the same time (1st quarter). Don’t know if it will be an RTO type notification where they advise I must report to Dallas or if it’s a “normal” layoff. No official notices yet…

What organizations and which offices are experiencing the 2nd wave of RTO last week of January?

• “If you say you are moving and don't move, you will not be eligible for a severance package”

So? My severance is only like a month or two, if I lie and say I’ll move I get almost 12 months or more if I can negotiate out an extension.

Sc--w you executive boot lickers, and I’m not worried about unemployment it’s literal peanuts and I’ll have another job lined up before then.

Software developers have options, and we wield power, I have no issue being assertive and screwing over management since they want to sc--w me.

“Anyone who indicates they will move and ends up not relocating will have their employment record marked as ineligible for rehire due to a COBC violation”

You state this in an authoritative tone as if anyone in this situation would give even one flying ph-k about that.

Unemployment benefits will also be unavailable since you will have been terminated for cause.

If you say you are moving and don't move, you will not be eligible for a severance package

No one cares about these COBC violations…if you’re not moving to Dallas you’re never working for this company again anyways especially after AT&T put them through all of this.

People only care about buying themselves enough time to find another job and save money to survive.

Dallas or bust!

Does STL have til 12/1 or before or is it after? I’ve heard both.

STL is off payroll 12/6 if not moving.

I like to understand why Directors and above get to be virtual?

Or why they need to be anywhere else but Atlanta or Dallas. Should they not be first ones to move?

Anyone who indicates they will move and ends up not relocating will have their employment record marked as ineligible for rehire due to a COBC violation.

I remember back in 2021 when Legg promised the company would try to ease the burden of inflation with the 2022 raises. I laughed, because I knew he was full of sh-t. Sure enough, I got an "exceeds" rating and nothing changed.

If executives lie, so can I. I can't guarantee that my plans won't change between January and June. If it inconveniences the company, that's not my problem.

As far as the COBC is concerned, I'll be sure to print out a copy of the COBC using company paper and company ink the next time I am in the office, so that I can wipe my a-s with it on the toilet. Chipotle style.

"If you havent started living your designation, you will wanna do that soon."

Living your designation.... what a horrible expression.

• “ Wave 2 letters come out 1/26, decisions due by 2/9. Your move date is based on your current location. For example, Chicago is 12/1. If you don’t move, then off payroll 12/6. Other locations start in Q3.”

Does STL have til 12/1 or before or is it after? I’ve heard both.

• “Wave 2 letters come out 1/26, decisions due by 2/9. Your move date is based on your current location. For example, Chicago is 12/1. If you don’t move, then off payroll 12/6. Other locations start in Q3.”

Nice, thanks for this info.
1 year or so - plenty of time.

1. 5 if you can wiggle out an extension I hear.

Wave 2 letters come out 1/26, decisions due by 2/9. Your move date is based on your current location. For example, Chicago is 12/1. If you don’t move, then off payroll 12/6. Other locations start in Q3.

• “Anyone who indicates they will move and ends up not relocating will have their employment record marked as ineligible for rehire due to a COBC violation.”

I put Stankey down in my book as having a COBC violation which means this record gets marked as IDGAF.

• “Anyone who indicates they will move and ends up not relocating will have their employment record marked as ineligible for rehire due to a COBC violation.”

Oh noes I can’t work for the sh---y telecom company with cratering stock price again! God forbid! As a developer I have no other options for $200k a year! Oh noeeeessssss!

• “Anyone who indicates they will move and ends up not relocating will have their employment record marked as ineligible for rehire due to a COBC violation.”

Who cares?
What if you end up just finding another job? Why are they allowed to hit you with consequences but you’re not allowed to do anything back?
What if I move and they lay me off anyways, can I hit Stankey with a CBOE violation?
What boomer here actually gives a fu-k about this? Rofl.

Anyone who indicates they will move and ends up not relocating will have their employment record marked as ineligible for rehire due to a COBC violation.

• “If you do get a letter, do some math before you make a choice. If the letter says "you have until 2025" to relocate, depending on your years of service, it might very well be better to say yes, not move, then get fired in Jan 2025 (10 months of pay vs x months of severance)”

I think this is the plan for most everyone, even talking to level 3+ people (experts/leads, etc) if their severance isn’t > the time they have to move then they will just say ‘ya sure I’ll move’ and run down the clock.

I suspect that’s why they’re moving the dates around, to start that clock.
I’m hearing late 2024, early 2025, mid-2025 as move-by dates.
Some confirmation on these move dates would be great.