I am not from the wireline side, so I could be off base, but doesn't adding a layer of managers to band 6 seem like a really good way to minimize the number of union employees? Was that one of the motives behind the new titles?
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Sr. Managers are now Associate Director. Director is now an Executive Director, and the Executive Director is now an Associate VP. No change in pay or responsibilities. The front line now reports directly to a Director. Can someone explain the logic to me?
I think it has more to with dei. Now vz can report how many women and minorities have been promoted. I may be wrong tho.
@4fav+1qyoqQwQ Nowhere in that post does it say the Union solely built Verizon....It does say without the Union employee there would be no Verizon.
Customers come and go but, the Central offices, poles, manholes, conduits, distribution points, and cables built 100 years ago by a Union worker are still here today generating cash for Verizon, only the type of cable has been changed.
So when the Union bargains for a fair contract it's actually getting pennies in compensation compared to the revenue the company will earn on that Union employee's work for many many years... However, if you want to break down the importance of each title that's fine it takes many spokes to make a wheel....But again this is a Fortune 500 company that runs on an infrastructure a Union worker built with his hands and back.
"The incredible overwhelming majority of Verizon employees have nothing to do with the physical aspects of the network or the face-to-face interaction with the customer that IS generating their paycheck, but they sure do have a lot of resentment toward the employees who do.....Why don't we acknowledge that it was the Union employee that built this company and without the Union employee, there would be no Verizon today?"
There is a little more to a company than getting the infrastructure in place. People have to raise the investment, deal with legal issues, plan and build/buy and install IT systems etc. The paycheck isn't coming from unions installing the service, it's when the customers pay their bills and the money coming in and then going through a payroll system. Many of these functions aren't union. It takes both sides. So no, the Union employees didn't (soley) build this company, they were an important part.
Union wireline reports to a 7V. These 7V and ONLY these 7V pay are based on a 15% premium above the highest union title. These 7V and ONLY these 7V are even eligible for a shift differential! So if top pay of your direct reports title(s) is $50/hr, you automatically make at least $115k. If you work second shift like over the test center it would be $125k for evenings and $130k for nights.
Union are not given an assigned number. Only wireless and management. Levels 8 and 9 can potentially be customer facing. 7 is manager entry level or what people call 1st level management. 6 fall into 2nd level management. 5 are directors and eds. 4 are VPs. 3 is SVP, 2 is EVP and 1 is the CEO. You can find this info on internal sites.
Sorry typo, I meant to say "thought maybe moving more people to a management position would take away from the number of union jobs"
OP here. On the wireless side, there is no union. I mistakenly believed that band 6=Management and 7 is union. Therefore I thought maybe moving more people to a union position would take away from the number of union jobs. I was not, in any way, attempting to say anything negative about union employees or positions. There is allot of defensiveness happening. Again I thought Manager=non union and anything under that was union. Obviously I was mistaken. I apologize for making union folks feel the need to defend themselves. Seriously, no ill intention on my part
@1wtf+1qyoqQwQ " MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO" ?
I'm not sure if I follow or are you one of the many resentful employees who are clueless about your company's operations that generate your salary?
If the latter and for your information ....Verizon has thousands of Union Field Technicians that maintain and install Verizon's products in customer's homes every day.
You see when you're sitting at home on a rainy day looking at a computer screen convincing yourself that you are earning a salary ...Or, on Verizon Layoff.com complaining about your job and the lack of appreciation you think you deserve ....There are Verizon Union employees out in there every day building, maintaining, and installing Verizon's network for customers that generate your salary.
MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO
Isn't the Union worker the ONLY Verizon employee who every day sees the customers in their homes installing Verizon products that generate revenue?
Why would they reduce the number of Union employees?... isn't the Union worker the employee who built the wireline plant from the ground up with their hands and backs creating this company in its entirety and therefore generating the cash to even start a wireless business decades later?
Isn't it the Union worker that to this day maintains the network of poles, manholes, and cables throughout major metropolitan areas and cities that generate revenue in both wireless and wireline? remember the "wireless" network is 99% wireline. ( only the device is wireless the rest runs on wireline cables )
Isn't the Union worker the ONLY Verizon employee who every day sees the customers in their homes installing Verizon products that generate revenue?
Isn't it the Union worker who repairs and restores the services when they are disrupted? on poles...in manholes...rain, sleet, and snow....to keep that customer in service and a Verizon customer?
The incredible overwhelming majority of Verizon employees have nothing to do with the physical aspects of the network or the face-to-face interaction with the customer that IS generating their paycheck, but they sure do have a lot of resentment toward the employees who do.....Why don't we acknowledge that it was the Union employee that built this company and without the Union employee, there would be no Verizon today?
You must be new to the company to ask this question. Union does not directly report to band 6. They report to band 7, which are supervisors. The supervisors report to band 6. Adding band 6 has nothing to do with the decision. The decision to add these bands has to do with complaints that there is no incentive to work a lead of a team when they were making the same STI and LTI as individual contributors in the technical titles. Many technical titles were earning more that those leading a team. Some technical leads have had higher LTIs than their managers.
Number of union employees will be going down a lot the next couple of years , it’s no secret . And guys not covered under “ no layoff clause” contract are gonna be left and will be just like contractors