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Ford Model e COO: 'We don't have a future' if EV market lost to Chinese automakers

Uh oh, Gjaja just admitted Ford doesn’t have a future (are you listening, Model e guy?):

Detroit — The chief operating officer of Ford Motor Co.'s electric-vehicle division
said Wednesday the development of EVs is more than just about environmental concerns — it's a hedge against the potential threat of Chinese automakers in the United States.

"That's coming here eventually," Marin Gjaja, Ford Model e's COO, said during a panel on disruptive technology held by the automaker. "So, we better get fit now and better get going on EVs, or we don't have a future."

Marin Gjaja, chief operating officer for Ford Model e, said without EVs, automakers could lose their future to Chinese automakers.

Chinese automakers are dominating their domestic market, making inroads in Europe, and setting up shop in Mexico with eyes on the United States. They led the way in introducing less-expensive EV battery chemistries, and subsidized material prices have helped them to provide low-priced vehicles. The BYD Seagull EV city car starts at roughly $11,000 (78,800 yuan).

“I don't know exactly the timing, but I think they're going to end up here,” Gjaja said, “just as the Japanese ended up here. The Koreans ended up here. The Germans ended up here. It's a big market.”

Traditional automakers have seen their share of the Chinese luxury market fall from 60% to less than 5%, Gjaja said: “It’s not that they haven’t tried to introduce EVs. They’re just that are far behind. … That’s the scale of the disruption.”

EVs in China represent nearly a quarter of its new-car market — close to 7 million vehicles, about 60% of EVs in the world. The United States’ adoption is less than 8%.

“The size of the market in China is so big that those players are going to be in a position to go potentially dominate the world, unless we as Ford and other OEMs can respond,” Gjaja said. “Think about all of the capital: the human capital, physical capital, financial capital that’s built into these ecosystems to build vehicles — that is all being massively disrupted, because this technology is progressing so fast.”

Ford understands this: It’s partnered with Chinese battery maker Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd. to license its technology to make those lower-cost batteries with lithium-iron-phosphate chemistry in south-central Michigan’s Marshall.

Ford CEO Jim Farley last week during an earnings call also discussed a low-cost EV platform the Dearborn automaker has been developing for the past two years in hopes of having the flexibility to offer affordable options. Gjaja declined to detail timing on that, but says the goal is a sticker tag in the $25,000 to $30,000 range. With the $7,500 federal subsidy, that would bring the total price closer to $20,000.

“ We look at the market, and you look at the scale that's required, and the installed base that you get with smaller vehicles, which are going to be where the fastest growth and adoption of EVs will be,” he said, “we need an affordable vehicle platform to be able to compete.”

In addition to EV affordability, the industry also is seeing hesitation because of insufficient public chargers, charging speeds and grid reliability concerns, which Gjaja dismissed.

Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi said that based on the adoption curve of other technologies historically, hitting 1% population adoption is when there begins to be a faster uptake rate.

“Typically, what you need is some combination of a reasonable price point, and advanced functionality,” Sacconaghi said. “What we've observed is ... in a new product's evolution, once a product is sort of sufficiently attractive on a price and feature set that it commands 1% penetration, going from 1% to 80% happens really quickly.”

Gjaja said given the capital investment required for vehicles and based on results in other countries, he believes for EVs that the tipping point is closer to 10% of new-vehicle sales, though that still represents a drop in the bucket compared with total vehicles on the road. The adoption also depends on region. The San Francisco Bay Area adoption is around 40%, while North Dakota’s is 1%.

“There’s not a magic number, if you look across the geographies,” he said. “But I personally feel like at 10%, you’re hitting critical mass where people are like, ‘Oh, I see these charging stations.’ There are enough people buying.”

bnoble@detroitnews.com

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Regardless of propulsion method - internal combustion or electric - the Chinese will continue to beat us because they pay their workers pennies on the dollar compared to USA workforce.

The only way we can compete with their low cost is to lower our own costs.

We need to automate far more than we already have. Eliminate as much head count as possible in the assembly plants.

We need to offshore as much office work as possible. Many third-world countries have been growing their STEM education systems. Mexico and India are great options for top level engineering at bargain basement costs.

And finally, anyone who remains employeed in the USA, including Office and Plant workers, will need to be paid considerably less or work considerably more hours. The Chinese are already doing both. India is already saying that younger workers should be working 60 hour weeks.

If we fail to keep up with this charge, all will be lost.

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Post ID: @6ntn+1r4eMfwD

You dont have a future with farley nor that doug or billy

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Post ID: @2eqi+1r4eMfwD

If the political Government connected Auto companies would build a simple ICE vehicle without all the electronic cr-p (CAN/LIN) , camera's, power seats, all the by wire control... sell it $15k-20k they would millions.

People want to drive an actual vehicle not an iPhone.

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Post ID: @1jnp+1r4eMfwD

Get out of the EV business or join your competitors in order to survive.

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Post ID: @1tlo+1r4eMfwD

Gjaja is right, however he is underestimating the technology leap the Gen2 Model e products will provide over any China based EV's.

A technology suite with affordability is what will entice customers. Not just low price point that China BEV companies can provide.

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Post ID: @1ibs+1r4eMfwD

There is no other way to deal with them except war, either physical war or economic war. And nuclear war if necessary, we are back in the cold war, again. If the collapse of the Soviet Union can repeat, might stand a chance to save all this.

Just like you have to shoot down the MiG-15s, they didn't go away on their own.

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Post ID: @1epf+1r4eMfwD

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2024/02/14/ford-model-e-marin-gjaja-ev-market-chinese-automakers/72599365007/

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Post ID: @1rvr+1r4eMfwD

This tool came from the Boston Consulting Group. The same people who brought you Smart Redesign.

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Post ID: @1bwh+1r4eMfwD

This Gjaja is the ultimate talking head; only one level below that of his boss Mr. Bunny Slippers. Also Gjaja how about do your homework:

https://media.polestar.com/ca/en/media/pressreleases/500051/production-of-the-polestar-2-electric-vehicle-begins

The Polestar 2 is made in China and has been exported here for a few years… China does play in the US market already. I need some Model E mushrooms, it appears they have transcended this reality to their to that of their own. where physics or accountability do not exist.

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Post ID: @1ejj+1r4eMfwD

Still waiting for a good explanation of Gjaja's actual job scope. Besides talking about stuff he doesn't fully understand.

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Post ID: @vnx+1r4eMfwD

What’s the cost of upgrading those cheap Chinese EVs to US market NHTSA crash standards? Price might go up then.

Also what’s the reliability record of the Chinese EVs?

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