Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Cisco managers are parasites.

The gross part is that many managers think they are the key to the business, when the actual heavy lifting is done by the ICs. Their "challenging management job to make difficult decisions" requires no skill, and can be done by just anyone. When their teams are successful, it's because of their great leaderships, when it's the opposite it's because the ICs aren't following the guidelines properly or working hard enough. Icing on the cake most of them also have high ego, and are so proud of themselves for zero good reason.

A very minority of ICs are also part of the problem. They realize the power of managers and become bootlickers. Then the manager plays favoritism and that IC becomes the crucial part of the team, by "having irreplaceable skills" and taking over critical projects / critical parts of projects. And gatekeeping.

These people stay at Cisco for a long time. They have figured out the way to stay off the LR list. If you look at any other remotely modern big tech, like Google and Amazon, people there don't stay nearly as long as Cisco people do. 5 years is already a rarity. Yet objectively those companies are way more successful than us. Go figure.

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I'd say all Cisco employees are the problem. Cisco acquires products & services from other companies. Anything of value at Cisco was an external acquisition.

Internally, we were able to outsource jobs to countries without labor laws. Also quietly layoff thousands and replace them with contractors. Reducing labor costs is our speciality

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Post ID: @2dnf+1rITmMXv

I was one of those ICs mentioned in paragraph 2. Took me a long time to realize. I’m not working there anymore, I never regretted the decision.

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Post ID: @1ply+1rITmMXv
A very minority of ICs are also part of the problem.

In software at Cisco a "very majority of ICs" are the problem. They have been for more than 30 years.

what criteria is used to make someone a manager?

At Cisco, your manager who went through the same process promotes you for what they see as your technical talent. Most I've talked to never receive not only any training but even basic guidance. Moving up from there is entirely a political process.

The same process goes for most of Cisco's highest technical software leaders who couldn't pass any first quiz from a freshman or sophomore "Introduction to..." course, and at Cisco almost all of those people don't have any understanding of how high level systems skills are wholly rooted in first principles taught in those classes.

As for their actual technical talent, see my point at the top.

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Post ID: @1sok+1rITmMXv

what criteria is used to make someone a manager?

useless managers and directors can only select those with similar traits and skills and make the experience a happy one, for entire management team.

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Post ID: @syx+1rITmMXv

I had maybe 10 mgrs during my 18 yrs. 3 of the worst:

  1. Did nothing for the team, never got us any projects, just kept trying to pad his resume, then left (after I was LR-ed even though I was the only person in the team who knew anything; I was remote).
  2. The biggest kiss-a$$ you could possibly imagine. Never spoke up during bonus season to promote his team.
  3. A sour-pu-s who was always miserable. Abandoned his team and Cisco with no notice and did not complete any reviews.
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Post ID: @rfh+1rITmMXv

@ciscogeek probably an unhappy individual who got laid off and put the blame on management

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Post ID: @xxy+1rITmMXv

Serious question - why are you still working at Cisco? Could you be the problem?

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