I speak for most Millennials and Gen Z…the traditional 8 hour working day of the ghost of career past is gone. would you please take some managerial training classes on managing a different generation in DU. This forced conformity will not work in the long run, bc we do not care in socializing with coworkers in office, when they sit in another state. we are just buying our time until the next job posts. We are simply giving the bare minimum until you all blow out the candles on your retirement sheet cake. The minute we take over these roles we will not enforce these stupid endocrines into practice because we all know they simply do not improve anything. why is the smallest generation controlling the largest based off the teachings of the generation who refuses to retire. I’m not sure why we need to conform instead of them adapting. these leaders speak of change, but yet are trying take us back with so many restrictions. one leader flat out said a full day is 8hrs in office, but cannot provide a single line of this written in any HR handbook. They are flying in and out to check hours in which 6-fig salaried, highly-skilled analyst are coming in. What is the purpose of BYOD if technology is being used but these leaders are still patrolling 30 plus year olds to the same 8-5 in office standard of the years of yesterdays.
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The little self aggrandizing boomer fanfic stories are too on point for it to be ChatGPT. Ive seen the weirdos boasting about working at Wells Fargo for 25+ years posting that stuff in sincerity
Lmao look at all those fake downvotes. The snowflake troll is very clearly a boomer 🤣
OMG what a pa--y. "We don't work 8 hour days! We travel!" Also them: "Houses are so unaffordable! " Here's a tip (no charge): get back to work
@oxp+1rXrQJqb What once in lifetime events did you as a millennial experience that Boomers or Gen x didn’t experience?
Hmm, first thing to come to mind is shaved {()} vagines. Millennials definitely spoiled with the pubescapings. Just sayin.
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All generations can learn something from one another..HARDSTOP!
Thank you for proving OP’s point! Lol.
So, Being in the office for 8 hours makes zero difference to me, and those employees with actual talent. That is a fact! Work smart!
I always get done what I need to get done in 4 hours by working smart, and utilizing the technologies available to us. If I need to put in 40+-50+ hours in a few weeks so be it.
For those old micromanaging peoples, you are only hurting yourself and team by refusing to embrace change, and gauge “8 hours a day at desk” as an employees metric for success is just d-mb. I’ll take working smart, and using my skills over following these ancient “way of working”.
In fact, the talented employees have been upskilling themselves while utilizing the new tools/technology and working smart for 4 hours a day while laughing at those who are gauging an employee’s progress by having them at their desk 8 hours a day. Hey, ughh Micromanagers…. You do realize that we are GLOBAL organization with employees in many different timezones to support. Especially offshore folks. Don't be hatin!
Either way; the company has made it clear that you will get a “meets” rating either way. So, I guess it doesn’t really matter. Best you can do is get done what your boss says, and up-skill yourself as much as possible.
I love how this thread is approaching 100 down votes and the mods leave it up, but we remove other posts within minutes.
What a well-moderated board 🙄
Selfishness is what destroys a society. Society only works when we operate as a collective or a cooperative of some kind. I'm not talking communism / socialism, but when everybody does whatever they want and tells everyone else to sc--w off, that's not a society, that's anarchy.
The attitude of "Everybody needs to change to serve me" is an outgrowth of anti-social behavior that destroys society.
That has nothing to do with 'health', but otherwise I agree.
I'm a millennial (34 years old). Gen Z people seem to think that everyone should be forced to adapt to their preferences. You insult older generations constantly and blame them for a lot of your problems.
One day you're gonna be the old generation complaining about the younger. You're just so young and inexperienced now that you don't even think about that eventuality.
You wanted increased pay and got it. You wanted increased parental leave and got it. You wanted health benefits for abortions and got it. You wanted health benefits for gender surgeries and got it. You wanted health benefits for surrogacy because you were in a relationship that could not biologically produce children and got it. You have to be willing to compromise a bit. Maybe you don't believe this, but there's a lot to learn from Gen X and Baby Boomers. They went through experiences we didn't and we can benefit from listening to them and taking their advice.
Previous generations fought in two World Wars and you can't go to work for 8 hours.
@uen+1rXrQJqb, at first I thought your comment was a stretch, but I think it is possible that some kid is copying and pasting the generational debate scenarios from ChatGPT to get the conversation going. As I read these comments, I think this thread is getting ridiculous. You may be right!
I could not agree more! We need to adapt to society now. Both men and women are in the workforce. They want us to procreate, but are not thinking about how much time both parents are spending away from their children. Not to mention the cost of quality childcare!
Surprised at all the hate OP is getting. I’m over 40 and couldn’t agree more. However, as some other posters have already correctly pointed out, the C suite is not making these decisions based on logic or reason. They are purposely creating a difficult work environment so that people will leave on their own accord, thus avoiding severance or mass layoffs which come with negative publicity which WF has already received far too much of over the last few years. To summarize, Shart and his cronies want you gone if you are part of the domestic work force and will do everything in their power to make that happen. RTO, terrible bonuses/raises, relocation strategy are just their means to an end.
I’m convinced these threads are actually 2 people pretending to have discourse. This is embarrassing for both side. WOW. This thread should be shown to potential hires so they can avoid you blubbering fools.
@lcw+1rXrQJqb Spot on!!!
Then maybe Millennials will realize it may take more than 8 hours to get the job done and everyone else won't have to make up for the lack of work
Millennials. We had one that showed up late, because they had to get coffee on their way in. And wanted to leave early so they could get gas for their car on their way home! Others constantly objected working 8 hours from the office or from home, which shifted the workload to others. Several were let go due to these performance issues. (Unlike high school, you don't get credit for doing your work late or re-taking a test)
1500 sqft is not a starter home. You probably also shopped for a good location. There are homes available for much cheaper in depressed areas. Those are the starter homes. Millennials and Gen Z just expect that their living standards won’t drop after leaving mom & dads.
Finally a thread worth some popcorn. OP sounds like somebody my grandma would pinch their cheeks and tell them how cute they are.
Snowflake. The things you described below are not once in a lifetime events. They are called choices and circumstances. For example you want a starter home in mostly a prestigious area instead of fiiding one in a cheaper area and working hard to move. Although, if your parents paid $25k for a house you are most likely a gen xer. I am sure you can find day care cheaper than $3500, then again for $200 a month your parents probably dropped you off a place that had no idea what cpr was and probably abused some of the kids mentally or emotionally. Giving birth during covid su-ked. My Aunt lost a son in Vietnam, deal with it.
And college yes the old college and $200k in debt story. Where do you live? There are plenty of institutions in States that are cheaper to attend. Heck you could have gone to two years of a community college, worked like most boomers and gen extra did, then transfer to a state school and live at home and get a 4 year degree. But you and your friends think you are entitled to a “college experience” by living on campus and joining a sorority and having the latest technological advances. Grow up buttercup no generation had it easy, they just figured out how to make it work.
“Post ID: @sbw+1rXrQJqb um a starter home averages around 420k, my parents first home was like 25k. rent for a 1 bedroom in the city we live in starts at 1500 for a very cheap area. what exactly was your first apt rent? my daycare costs 3500 a month. my parents paid like 200 a month for me to go to someone house all day. i literally gave birth to my first child wearing a mask, unable to have family there and no additional support staff allowed due to covid. i compare it to the walking dead. my parents graduated college for few hundred bucks and left without any debt. everyone i know owes 200k plus in student loans . should i continue or are these enough examples???”
You're right, they can't, which is why the WF of the future won't include several current major groups. Without mortgage, auto, and branches, probably 90% of the domestic workforce could be eliminated. And what is Shart looking to wind down? Mortgage, auto, and branches.
So you want to work fewer hours at the same pay as people working 8. Your layoff skip is waiting at the door so you can go complain somewhere else while boomers cover for you.
You want to complain about student loans, go talk to your old guidance counselor. There are alternatives. I worked my way through school.
My older team members exceed my younger ones daily. They’re not as careless, take pride in what they accomplish and follow required procedures. They’re trying desperately to lay foundation for younger members who’s only goal is get out.
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Oh please! The “required DEI trainings” never touch on the entire diversity group of WOMEN as a gender other than for se$ual harassment and that’s been a truly disadvantaged group for decades.
The fact that you think DEI trainings will actually change how one person treats another (expect to spare from litigation) and more importantly feels about another person speaks volumes about your own tunnel vision.
You don’t like the decision makers in charge because of their age? Stop complaining and expecting everyone else to change or make it better for you. Go work your ar-e off and try to earn their job instead of whining broad generalizations that do NOTHING to actually FIX what you see as as issue.
Post ID: @hxw+1rXrQJqb they cannot offshore the entire bank, there are regulatory laws in place to prevent this from ever happening. I know this site loves to push fear mongering, but it would actually be illegal. . Not to mention WF is not the first company to offshore resources to trim dollars. It never works well. A process will break, opening them up to a scandal and they will return some jobs and have automation replace others. the newest scandal will create new jobs, as they always do and a regulatory body will mandate a percentage of those jobs stay onshore.
Post ID: @lcw+1rXrQJqb this is absolutely the difference in generational mindset. Last time I checked CS was 58 years of age, which would make him born in 1966, making him a Gen X. He was groomed by JD who is a Boomer. At some point these individuals will leave bc they have enough capital to fund countries and this mindset of a 8-5 will cease because at some point the next generations will take over. I’m not sure you have been to any retail or restaurant job recently but the lower generation doesn’t care about work, they half way get any orders correct. Covid changed the working model, so to think these executives are expecting it to return post covid is antiquated. This company pushes DEI but different generational employees is a a segment of diversity. I find it interesting trainings are required for every racial disparity, but not one on managing different age groups. Instead the expect us all to conform to the ideals of the 90s.
Post ID: @nyz+1rXrQJqb I doubt it, considering I write coding language, with an advanced degree, and have 12+ years of working experience.
Post ID: @crw+1rXrQJqb my current home costs 600k at purchase and it’s from the 1940s and only 1500 sqft. The house I purchase before this one was 1k. Not sure which rock you live under, but those type of neighborhoods do not exists in city centers near any hub city in this country. To further expand my point, in the 1970s the college tuition was 5% of median income it’s currently 44%. These are not my thoughts but facts.
OP doesn't realize it's not mainly a generational issue, but instead an issue of the powerful vs the powerless.
Generational infighting gets us all nowhere. We need to work together to fight against the powerbrokers who rule the world and enforce things like 9-5 office work to protect their CRE investments.
I assure you, OP, Gen X (can't speak for Boomers) wants the things you want. We are fed up and have tried pushing back.
But we've also been on this earth longer, in the workforce longer, and have seen the perilous nature of the employee/employer relationship.
We have bills to pay. Gen Xers got NOTHING from our parents and weren't allowed to live at home once we turned 18 (if not sooner). Paid for our education, paid for our car, paid our own rent, took menial jobs and have been working since 15 or 16 years old.
Let's work together, not against each other.
That's what's wrong with most of the younger generation. They know how to take selfies and maneuver a cell phone if they're lucky. They are judgemental of everyone and think they know it all. OP's post sings "If I only had a brain". (That's the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz in case you didn't know youngin). Lol.
Your problem is that you're blaming tens of millions of people for the actions of roughly a dozen simply because they are of similar age. We know the S that HY is doing is stupid. We knew it was failed leadership before you came along to give us the breaking news. The fact of the matter is that the OC is in a mission to eliminate the domestic WF workforce, which they believe is overly expensive, entitled, and guilty of causing various past scandals. They despise us, and with that in mind their actions make a lot of sense. They want nothing more than for people to leave without getting a severance, and in order to achieve that they will very intentionally heap a series of indignities upon us, many of which involve actions that make no sense to workers who wrongly assume that the execs want what is best for the company. They don't. Whatever remnant of employees refuses to go away on their own will be severance'd out. Just a matter of time. Remote, in office, hub, non-hub, doesn't matter. We all go, unless Shart is replaced before fully realizing his plan.
The problem with Millennials and Gen Z is they think a starter home is 2,000 sqft, 3-4 bedrooms 2.5 bath homes.
I started out in a 80+ year old 700 sqft house with 1 bedroom and 1 bath in a fairly high crime neighborhood.
OP- if you work as poorly as you write you don’t need to worry about this job too much longer. 😂😂😂
Post ID: @sbw+1rXrQJqb um a starter home averages around 420k, my parents first home was like 25k. rent for a 1 bedroom in the city we live in starts at 1500 for a very cheap area. what exactly was your first apt rent? my daycare costs 3500 a month. my parents paid like 200 a month for me to go to someone house all day. i literally gave birth to my first child wearing a mask, unable to have family there and no additional support staff allowed due to covid. i compare it to the walking dead. my parents graduated college for few hundred bucks and left without any debt. everyone i know owes 200k plus in student loans . should i continue or are these enough examples???
You do realize that most of the Sr. executives are Boomers and Gen X's right? They are the ones who run the company, and you work for them. If you don't want to work for them, go start your own business somewhere else.
Boy! You got a new job but don’t like the rules of engagement? Old “boomers” are offending you?
Maybe you should change out of your pajamas or start your own bank.
: @oxp+1rXrQJqb What once in lifetime events did you as a millennial experience that Boomers or Gen x didn’t experience?
Post ID: @eln+1rXrQJqb The word leaders includes CS direct reports. The direction of these antiquated principals are driven from them. They are all baby boomers/Gen X. They are trying to force workforce principals of early 2k wallstreet era. However the job market has shifted and the traditional 8-5 working model aged out along with the fax machine and typewriter. It baffles me, bc at some point the C suite will retire, and the shift to AI/Machine learning will still require advanced analyst to build them. most of the people doing this work are 25-40 and have lived multiple lives. we do not have the same beliefs in a 40 year career, bc we know this is a trap. I just find it interesting no one making any of these decisions will even be working in 10-12 years
@oxp+1rXrQJqb is clearly a younger millennial because they didn't mention the massive shift in our culture after 9/11. And they didn't mention being sent to the 20-year Global War on Te---r. It's been a rough adulthood for all of us.
The micromanaging and layoff threats don't phase us. We've been through too much.
When you're all growed up OP, maybe you'll realize that managers have absolutely no power at the current WF. Maybe in the old days, but these days authority is extremely centralized. Notice that anything useful requires approval by the OC? Once you're on it, you can implement all the great 'new' ideas (that we came up with decades ago). Until then, have another bite of an S sandwich and wait for your severance like the rest of us plebes.
Post ID: @tms+1rXrQJqb as a millennial i’ve survived graduating college without any work expertise during the greatest recession since the great depression this current economy can’t even touch that stress. i’ve had kids during a pandemic that hasn’t been seen since 1919… i’ve lived 30 lives so far. and so has most of my counterparts which is why we quiet quit years ago. we are collecting a check to pay off student loan debt that will never be paid off in this lifetime. we work to travel, nothing else really moves this generation. that is why i’ve suggested training bc literally this generation has experienced once in a life time events multiple times in one lifetime, so the 8 hr work schedule threats do not scare us. it’s why we walk in at 10 and are gone by 2.
Perhaps you will live in an economic depression, then you will do anything your big bad manager tells you too.
But probably not printers will
Go brrr to kick the can down the road.