Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

You’ve just now figured this out?

"Yup, when AT&T moved HQ from San Antonio to Dallas they agreed to have a certain number of employees in Dallas. For year afterwards they kept moving jobs to Dallas to meet that number."

Exactly... They're called tax abatements. These are limited to certain areas / cities, individually negotiable, and not universal. They often expire after a certain period, 10 years is common.

They're not just for office buildings, cities and states also use them to attract factories and DC's that will employ a certain number of people.

Let’s take Ai for example.
As it stands, Ai can’t fully replace developers, but it can make developers more EFFICIENT. So one developer can create more value and be more productive.

Thus that gives the option to
A: be an a--hole and lay off devs
B: take on more projects, produce more revenue and actually hire more developers.

People not having to commute, being able to work in comfortable spaces, being able to work from their own custom home offices (having OUR OWN offices would solve this issue too) increases EFFICIENCY even though people aren’t working HARDER necessarily thus increasing productivity.

In developer land it doesn’t matter if it took you 10 minutes to program the solution or 10 months.
What matters are the results.
If you can complete a task and create millions in value in ten minutes then you don’t have much to do the rest of the sprint/project.

At the end of the day the results are what matter, not how we get there or how hard management makes people slave, and if you don’t look at business like that, then you’re an id--t.

• “Why does everyone say they want to work from home so they can work harder. Do you think we’re stupid?”

Higher productivity does not == working harder in all cases boomer.
In fact, usually, higher efficiency causes people to not have to work as hard, which raises productivity, which then raises value produced per employee which in turn raises revenue.

Wow, pretty amazing having an engineer who is also a finance expert and in management in here who doesn’t agree with RTO actually making sense, huh?

Do you think we’re stupid?

Oh no, no... of course not.

We know you are.

I've said this back in May. It's painfully obvious to anyone who keeps their eyes open.

Maybe correct where applicable but the truth is to slim the fat and laziness.

Why does everyone say they want to work from home so they can work harder. Do you think we’re stupid?

Hey, Actual Worker@lrq+1rf9d0kD:

What is it you actually do? Chat about escalations? Share screens with co-workers? Look up MOPs? Respond to email?

I actually do those things from my home office (well, until this RTO wave gets me). I also actually spend 15 minutes picking up soccer player and back to work, rather than cutting out of the "collaboration space" two hours early to sit in traffic.

You think I'm going back to work after a slog like that? Actually, no. Actually looking forward to getting out of here. I guess that means I am living the designation.

Ward saying in his town hall “I don’t care what the data says” pretty much sums up AT&T and this outdated logic.

Upper management loves to tout being a “data driven company” until the data doesn’t support their bias and pre-conceived notions, then the data doesn’t matter and it’s wrong.

Classic.

It’s tragic such unintelligent people rise the ranks due to politicking vs actual talent.

It’d be nice to go back to engineers being the preferred managers vs derpy finance bros and id--ts with useless business degrees.

• “I hate having to go into the office and actually have to work. It cuts into my personal time and my kids soccer practice time.”

I don’t have kids, and I don’t want to go into the office…
The time lost due to commute could be used working, I usually got online right at 8-9 and could immediately begin working without having to deal with an hour commute to an office where no one speaks to each other anyways.

Loss of productivity from sub-par office space and standardized shared spaces is also an issue. I’ve heard of people literally working in hallways due to not having space at some offices.
The setup’s su-k, especially for developers who have 3+ monitors at home and higher-end kit.

Loss of income due to commute cost is also a factor, plus the added danger of driving in general AND having to go to dangerous disgusting over-crowded cities.

People simply don’t have to live like this anymore, and upper management trying to roll back the clock is like horse breeders trying to ensure everyone is still riding a horse after Ford released the Model-T.

It’s a fallacy, and appeal to tradition, just because “we’ve worked from an office for decades” doesn’t mean we have to continue to and there isn’t a better way.
Imagine all the money they’d save if they ditched all that useless office real-estate no one wants in these declining cities.

This “it’s always been like this thus it should continue to be this way” is outdated boomer logic.

I hate having to go into the office and actually have to work. It cuts into my personal time and my kids soccer practice time.

Typical AT&T cluster!

Yup, when AT&T moved HQ from San Antonio to Dallas they agreed to have a certain number of employees in Dallas. For year afterwards they kept moving jobs to Dallas to meet that number.

That is one instance of that and it is very rare. Would only apply to the offices in that particular city also not satellite offices. I will say this people on here are certainly good at over generalizing.

It’s definitely NOT for “collaboration”!

Plus, it’s an easy way for T to systematically trim the workforce!

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Yeah...no Sh!t...

I’m just glad T picked Rivian for its future EV fleet.