Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Do PTO Days count in part of the average for in compliance with in office days

I hear they average out your in-office days (to ensure your average is 3 days a week). If you take a week long vacation (5 days), do you only have to go in one day the following week (since you would still average 3). Trying to understand if PTO and in office days are in separate buckets on the reporting since I can not find this anywhere.

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Post ID: @OP+1sZTeqgH

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Its on the Teamworks site what counts, just try looking for it

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Post ID: @1yhd+1sZTeqgH

It’s a rolling report so yes technically you could go in more one week and less in another. For my group as long as the average is there and you go in at least two days, you are good.

For days in office on report:
1 hour in office counts, 15 minutes logged into any branch WiFi counts, work travel days booked on concur count, half day PTO counts. All verified by my manager.

You are welcome.

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Post ID: @1sde+1sZTeqgH

There’s 2 questions here that you are trying to use 1 Yes for. 1- is pto counted as in office? -yes. That is firmwide & on infomax. 2- if I go in/pto more than 3 days in a week does that mean I can come in less the next? That’s up to your manager & dept policy. Every department is different. Ask your manager. This board won’t give you the right answer. When you hit the non-RTO report “the layoff.com site said…” won’t help you.

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Post ID: @1xyg+1sZTeqgH

@sqy+1sZTeqgH

There are still many people that have not had to rto yet but will soon.

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Post ID: @1fgl+1sZTeqgH

As it was explained to me by my manager:

3 days a week of being at the office at some point in that day.

PTO/Holidays/Sick days of at least 4 hours or more count as "a day in office".

Days in office do not roll/carry over week-to-week. That is to say: If you go into the office 5 days during week 1, you still have to go in 3 days during week 2.

This information might be specific to the group I work under.

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Post ID: @1ouw+1sZTeqgH

This is why I never take a full week off anymore. FHY/FCS.

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Post ID: @1doj+1sZTeqgH

Our leadership is looking at rolling 4 week windows yet they say you can go in three days one week and two days the next or four days one week and one week the next.. then you try to do that and you get called out. I’m fairly certain they don’t know what an average is..

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Post ID: @1ese+1sZTeqgH

I can’t believe we still have idjits asking these types of questions.

Hey OP, is water wet? How much air can you breathe? FFS we’re doomed.

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Post ID: @sqy+1sZTeqgH

PTO - yes
Sick day - yes
Travelling for work - yes
You are flying out on Sunday while travelling for work - yes
Stayed in office for only 6 hours - yes

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Post ID: @ffa+1sZTeqgH

If you take a week long vacation, and your average was 3.0 before, then yes you technically could go in just one day the next week and not get dinged. But you will have to make up those two days before the week with 5 PTO days falls off the back of the rolling average range, or else at that point your average will fall below 3.0 and you’ll get called out. At least that’s how it is in my LoB.

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Post ID: @chm+1sZTeqgH

omg we’ve been RTO’d for 2.5 years, give me a break.

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Post ID: @pqw+1sZTeqgH

Ask your manager knucklehead.

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Post ID: @ylj+1sZTeqgH

Bei has stated if you claim 4 or more hours PTO then it is considered a full in office day. As a mgr the report is default set on four week avg but some higher ups look at it week by week.

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Post ID: @elp+1sZTeqgH

Most reporting is done in 4-wk intervals. So a big PTO in wk4 won’t count toward the next 4-wk window.

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Post ID: @odt+1sZTeqgH

It's on a weekly basis, no rollover.

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Post ID: @ovt+1sZTeqgH

I believe that your PTO or holiday time and in office requirements is for the same week. So if you took 5 days of PTO in one week, it doesn’t count for in office requirements the following week.
How about asking your manager? In my group, manager is quite flexible so sometimes I am not in the office 3 days a week if I am having repair work done on my home ( just an example).

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Post ID: @oup+1sZTeqgH

They don't want transparency or clarity here. The opacity will allow them to say you are in violation when the time is right for the big layoff. They will just adjust the criteria till they hit whatever number they want to hit. This way they limit any blowback/lawsuits from their arbitrary displacements. How can you argue about rules when they don't even tell them what the rule was until after that fact?

Machiavellian devils run this place.

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Post ID: @wtz+1sZTeqgH

Our management has told us that PTO days count as "in office".

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Post ID: @xhd+1sZTeqgH

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