Anyone seeing VPN or network connectivity reports for RTO?
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The WiFi and LAN presence will count if no badge swipe, I’m not sure why you saying otherwise. I simply was saying you could filter the report to view them.
“You can absolutely see the WiFi, badge and lan instances for this report by using the filters. You can change the report to view it however you want.”
Yes, no one said you couldn’t but having a badge and no wifi and/or LAN pings doesn’t mean ANYTHING at all.
There’s a million reasons why the pings might not work.
Maybe you’re a developer and your environment is weird so the pings don’t work.
Maybe you’re on a Mac, in which case NONE of the pings work.
Maybe you only use wifi and were taking a pi-s and had your laptop shut off when the ping occurred the ONE TIME A DAY it does it.
Millions upon millions upon millions of reasons these pings might not work.
Therefore - they are meant only to be used as a BACKUP to the badge swipe.
All that matters is swiping the badge, period.
The LAN and WiFi pings are not meant to be taken as an indicator of office presence as they are INCREDIBLY unreliable.
“If you swipe your badge early morning (4am, 5 am or 6am) does the report pick it up? It used to be the CRE reporting did not pick up badge swipes before 7am”
You can swipe before 12am - get credit for a day wait til 12:01am swipe again, and get credit for that day.
Time doesn’t matter, only day based on local time.
I swipe before 7 every day and never an issue
If you swipe your badge early morning (4am, 5 am or 6am) does the report pick it up? It used to be the CRE reporting did not pick up badge swipes before 7am
" I’m swiping my bosses badge so she can work from home"
I'll spare you the same feedback as that lunatic that is always crowing about COBC violations here...BUT
If true (and I doubt it is)---that's really just not very smart. On either of yours part.
"... we talk sh-t and joke about it daily...."
That's what the people (and their AD's) in my group were doing. Until they weren't.
I like this "it doesn't apply to us" mentality... all well and good if you and your little concubine of L2 and L3 don't care.
As soon as the wrong executive sees something they don't like and drills down and then your party is over.
Installer in lobby today putting in AI facial recognition cameras to verify who comes in with badge and who leaves. I’m swiping my bosses badge so she can work from home. Might have to change this process once these are online.
“The report contains NO NONE ZERO data about vpn, lan, pings, etc.
Whoever says it does, is lying, misinformed, or looking at general network data as it’s related to attuid’s.“
You can absolutely see the WiFi, badge and lan instances for this report by using the filters. You can change the report to view it however you want.
As for VPN there is another report that allows supervisors to look at VPN usage.
OP here
Appreciate all the objective and factual responses.
Those saying just show up…. Sure, but the unnecessary fear tactic is getting old.
RTO is a commercial real estate stunt, not because it makes a diff in productivity.
"This is a lie.
The report contains NO NONE ZERO data about vpn, lan, pings, etc.
Whoever says it does, is lying, misinformed, or looking at general network data as it’s related to attuid’s.
The presence reporting only cares if you met one of the three criteria:
Badge
LAN
WiFi
ONE OF THE THREE - YOU ONLY NEED ONE!"
I agree. I get the report emailed to me every Monday for my direct reports. Another point is there are still many locations nationwide that don't have swipe access, they still have punch codes or hard keys.
If you just go in three days a week and work then you don’t need to worry about it or how it works. It’s not a difficult concept.
“A lot of managers are going to miss getting bonuses next year.”
Extremely unlikely.
I had 1 day a week until March and I got over $20k. My director laughed about it and said they had to comment about it but it’s no big deal just meet the minimum now that they’re pushing it with the presence report.
They’re not even hitting 100% on the reports.
It’s a joke, we all know why it’s being done and there’s 1 person who actually cares.
Maybe the paper pusher depts care, but organizations that actually are performance based (engineering & tech) don’t care - we talk sh-t and joke about it daily.
“It’s being upgraded, but the project is delayed because Workday is broken and underpaying hundreds of management and non-management employees. ”
Upgraded in what way?
I did hear they’re trying to add the LAN and WiFi ‘tracking’ for Mac’s but I find that to be unlikely unless they roll out a vendor solution.
Not a lot of Swift developers at T except those is Israel since we offloaded all the app work there.
I’d be curious to hear what they’re going to try to roll out - I think everyone needs to keep in mind this company is bottom tier when it comes to software, this is coming from a software developer…most SDE’s here are under-paid very limited (they get put on a project with 1 language and stagnate) and incompetent. I see it very unlikely they sort out a lot of this network monitoring, AND IF THEY DO - I think Mac’s will be safe for awhile, and more stringent tracking will cause all kinds of other issues to the point that supervisors will just expect the report to always be wrong and there will always be a go to excuse for vpn use.
“I liked my old style cubicle. Had it decorated with ocean pics and kids artwork. Coworkers could stop by and chat. Had my little ergonomic footrest and a Herman Miller chair. We still have to take the ergonomics PLE class even tho it’s completely impossible to implement now. This open concept, broken chairs, no privacy, everyone can see you wipe your nose stuff is bs.”
Honestly, if I had my own office - I’d probably have no problem going in 5 days a week.
I hate the way our offices are. I honestly want to find somewhere in the building hidden away from everyone, steal a monitor, and just make myself an office.
Idc if it’s a closet at this point.
“Yes they're using bad swipes and VPN either in office or not in office. The reports are quite detailed, and any deviation has to be documented if it's not a vacation sick or similar absence.”
This is a lie.
I looked at the report today.
It just shows a month so like April 7 - April 28 (the way they do months is weird)
Within that month it just shows some personal data, name, attuid, etc.
And the ‘eligible weeks’ and ‘weeks met (they use some other term)
Eligible weeks are weeks you were supposed to be in the office, you can cut this down with PTO and other approved means to get a day off or day out if the office (volunteer work, caregiver, etc)
Met weeks are weeks that you met the 3 days in requirement. So let’s say April there were 3 eligible weeks (no PTO, and 3 weeks cause weird reporting) and you met 2 of those 3 then you have a 66% meet rate (a value also showed)
The report contains NO NONE ZERO data about vpn, lan, pings, etc.
Whoever says it does, is lying, misinformed, or looking at general network data as it’s related to attuid’s.
Due to reliability the presence reporting (all supervisors care about) doesn’t take ANY of this into consideration.
The presence reporting only cares if you met one of the three criteria:
Badge
LAN
WiFi
ONE OF THE THREE - YOU ONLY NEED ONE!
VPN isn’t considered for this metric due to some people using vpn on some devices, Mac’s that need to use vpn in office, etc…tons of reasons.
If any of the trolls from HR on here say otherwise - they’re lying. This is coming from someone who knows but disagrees with how T is handling this.
The ONLY thing that’s changed since the leaked reporting video is min PTO to get excluded has increased from 1 day in a week to 3 - this was passed to me this morning via supervisor docs about presence reporting.
“ no one wants to go to the office”
I liked my old style cubicle. Had it decorated with ocean pics and kids artwork. Coworkers could stop by and chat. Had my little ergonomic footrest and a Herman Miller chair. We still have to take the ergonomics PLE class even tho it’s completely impossible to implement now. This open concept, broken chairs, no privacy, everyone can see you wipe your nose stuff is b s.
The people that are saying there’s more monitoring than the leaked presentation are hilarious. Your boss is lying to scare you.
Some tips:
A. Use 1 hour PTO per day on the weeks where you just can deal, takes you off the report, I have plenty of time, I’m a boomer.
- Don’t turn your lease roll laptop in. Keep it, leave it running in the office, it will count you on the wifi. If you don’t have an office, plug it in behind a filing cabinet.
vi. Put in a SAMs ticket for building access to your building. Badges with recent tickets are excluded from reporting.
“ Yes they're using bad swipes and VPN either in office or not in office. The reports are quite detailed, and any deviation has to be documented if it's not a vacation sick or similar absence.”
Unless it has changed since the leaked March meeting, it’s 1. Badge swipes (in not out), 2. LAN pings - however in my location we’re on WiFi only as far as I can tell, 3. WiFi once a day which is not that reliable.
Unless there is documentation that they ramped up surveillance since March, it still mainly appears to be badge swipes and manager eyeballs if the manager is in the same location
Yes they're using bad swipes and VPN either in office or not in office. The reports are quite detailed, and any deviation has to be documented if it's not a vacation sick or similar absence.
A lot of managers are going to miss getting bonuses next year.
Eight hours a day, five times a week in the office. Not worried about silly wifi access, vpn metrics, over analyzing badge reads, or big-data reports. It's really that simple. Go in to the office and do the work.
“Leadership is pushing the presence reports hard again recently. Why??”
You used to get excluded from the report with 1 PTO day - so if you took 1 day during a week you could just skip the office the rest of the week.
Now they changed it to 3 days in a week - so to get excluded from the report you need to take at least 3 PTO days.
I’m guessing too many big brains were abusing the 1 day a week PTO loophole.
Management needs to get the message, no one wants to go to the office.
Leadership is pushing the presence reports hard again recently. Why??
Yeah, people are mixing up a lot of things…
I’m in these presence report meetings, the network pings your machine to register you for being ‘in office’ but that’s it.
Period, nothing more.
LAN is hourly, wifi is once a day at a specific time.
These pings don’t work on Mac’s and there’s a lot of reasons they might not even work on Windows.
Badge in is the only REAL RELIABLE metric they’re tracking.
There is no ‘time in office’ tracking system.
If you go home and get on vpn they don’t log that on the presence report.
If you show up at 3pm badge and leave at 4pm you get credit.
Some people hear xyz from someone or some random supervisor who is talking it up to get people in the office and it’s bs.
This is the truth, from the meeting - just badge. If you badge at the door, you’re good.
No because it’s not a reliable or accurate measure. There are thousands of employees who spend time in the field etc who swipe in but than hit the road. In addition we have people who move around between offices and or even conference rooms ona daily basis who will bounce between Ethernet, wifi and VPN. Measuring time on the network is the worse of the measures.
It’s on Power BI. It’s published to the HR Workspace. It’s being upgraded, but the project is delayed because Workday is broken and underpaying hundreds of management and non-management employees. They are only fixing the people who call in, so check the math on your paystub. Lots of math errors on the tax deductions.
Their exec overview (which they originally left unrestricted) said badge swipes are weighted the heaviest. The swipe supersedes other metrics. If you swipe, you’re counted as compliant for that particular day.
These metrics are reviewed with my department twice a month.
No, because they don’t exist.