Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

“"if they don't let u change, just say your moving...when u get to the date...tell them u need a few more weeks to complete the move and ride the wave until u get fired" It won't be up to your boss, or even his or her boss. Official policy has been stated over and over that anyone not at the new location on the report date will be automatically fired for job abandonment the next business day. So... "u" need to show up or retire before your report date.”

People from wave 1 are still employed in my org and haven’t moved. Basically just being like ‘yeah sure Jan, I’m moving’ so don’t know how true this is for all orgs.

Under the amended law in 2023, employers are required to pay all terminated employees severance of one week of pay for each year of employment even if they provide the full requirement of 90 days' notice. If an employer fails to give a full 90 days' notice, they must pay an additional four weeks of pay to the employee.Jan 24, 2024

If you lived in New Jersey they’d owe you your severance by law.

If you choose not to decide, then you still have made a choice.

"if they don't let u change, just say your moving...when u get to the date...tell them u need a few more weeks to complete the move and ride the wave until u get fired"

It won't be up to your boss, or even his or her boss.

Official policy has been stated over and over that anyone not at the new location on the report date will be automatically fired for job abandonment the next business day.

So... "u" need to show up or retire before your report date.

if they don't let u change, just say your moving...when u get to the date...tell them u need a few more weeks to complete the move and ride the wave until u get fired

"What supervisors have, generally been told, is once someone agrees to move if they change their mind you are not eligible for a severance. You can leave like normal."

Yup. As well as if you don't show up on your report date, you'll be fired the next day for job abandonment.

What supervisors have, generally been told, is once someone agrees to move if they change their mind you are not eligible for a severance. You can leave like normal.

“ Glad I have a union contract.”

Another union slug. Don’t worry goof you’ll be gone before you know it.

"Glad I have a union contract."

me too. something needs to protect you, right?

Honestly, not in wave 2 so I don't know the dates. But here's what I would do. I am normally a very ethical person, but these are abnormal times. Take your severance now. That is, do the minimum work -basically whatever you feel like doing, then let them terminate you for not moving. You will get unemployment, in most states, if your "destination" is greater than 50 miles away. So at least there is that. But just consider now and the time that they fire you your severance. Doing this depends on how much you can actually stomach the charade. T should just offer anyone severance who won't/can't move when the move involves a certain distance. That's what normal companies do for salaried employees. It's really unreasonable, in my view, for the company to put this "offer" on people. You don't know how your life might change between when they give you the "offer" and when it's time to actually execute. Or you may find it difficult to actually make the move, even if you said you would, due to the complexities of the current economy, selling house, school issues, spousal issues, etc. etc. And with NO relocation help. So T is asking people to play chicken with this entire offer thing, and it's unethical of them. So give it right back to them, if you can stomach it. Best of luck.

Glad I have a union contract.

I'll take your RTO initiative and give you a union instead.

“This board has proven RTO is an initiative that should have been implemented a decade ago.”

This board has proven to me that I shouldn’t have worked so hard at this company and I’ve been wasting my time here.
Thank god I’m going and didn’t spend decades here like you did.
What a loser, T for a decade? Gross.

This board has proven RTO is an initiative that should have been implemented a decade ago.

“Company is sc--wing you, so sc--w them back and lie while looking for a new job. It's the one time where you actually have power over the company.”

Been saying this for months.

Company is sc--wing you, so sc--w them back and lie while looking for a new job. It's the one time where you actually have power over the company.

COBC violation.

Shut up Wesley.

If you don’t plan to ever work at T again and are already in the process of finding another job and/or going to be laid off anyways without lying, then a COBC violation has no teeth what so ever.

The worse they can do is complain on your referral or something but with how RTO is going most directors will back their employees on the referrals anyway, I’ve even heard directors tell employees to just say they’ll move to drag it out.

No one is happy with what’s going on, all the way down.

COBC violation is a joke if you’re already making an exit and don’t want to work here again, and why would you after what they’ve done.

Not allowed to work at T again? Don’t threaten me with a good time.

“COBC violation.”

And?
What’re they gonna do?
Plz tell me.

“ Just lie.”
COBC violation.

Just lie.
Drag it out while looking for a job locally.
Then when you find something either become over employed and roll both jobs at the same time for as long as you can, or just tell them ‘hey another better opportunity locally came a long’ and quit.

You’ll probably end up with more $ than you would if you got severance.
Just don’t play by their rules, the C-suite doesn’t, why should you?

You’re probably SOL to get severance since you’re not on the layoff calendar. Try asking your boss if you can be put onto the list or take someone’s place. Don’t believe them if they act like they don’t have a list of heads scheduled by month to be axed.

Otherwise just put in your 2 weeks like normal. I declined the move offer but honestly if I were you I’d just stay put and see how long you get away with it. If they come down hard put in 2 weeks notice and take the next 2 weeks off on PTO.

Of course you can change your mind. RTO has always been about employee choice. No one is being forced to do anything.

If you are after your severance, you won't get it, even if you change your reply.

Had someone I know say they would move and then when the time came they wanted to change to no. They didn’t get severance. You can ask your boss, but I think you’re hosed.

Best when asked, just tell them no. Otherwise you will get no severance. Not to mention the more people that say no, the more likely they will walk it back.

The procedure is you are choosing to quit just like anyone else. I assume you want the severance but I dont see that working out for you. This may not be your case, but for others be warned dont say you are going to move out of fear, if you dont want to move just say no and start looking for your next opportunity

Ummm. Ask your boss.

You understand that you can do whatever YOU want to do, right?

Strange post.

I mean, if you told them you’d relocate and now you have thought better of it, just don’t do it. No one is forcing you to. Might impact your severance is all, assuming they do lay you off. Big whoop.

If you m said you would move in an early wave last year, you will not receive severance if no longer moving.

Just don’t move lol.
You only miss out on severance but it isn’t much anyways.

If you are serious about switching, then I’d talk to your manager and see if they can.

Seriously, take the package and move on. I did and am happy for it.