All officers are making plans to reduce an incremental 25% L3/L4 for the September or October surplus off payroll dates. This is a Span of control edict. Many GMs that made the move to Dallas will end up surplus. Any GMs currently in the process of moving or evaluating if you are going to move, should highly inspect on “job security”. I saw list of names of directors being considered for surplus in my officer org, and there are several on there that moved their families last year with zero relocation support dollars. They sold houses, moved on their own dime, uprooted families and bought at higher interest rates. Now they will be surplus. Akard is about to free up some parking spaces in the garages!
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Agree with the other poster, there are Directors with no span of control reporting to Directors, AVP's reporting to AVP's etc and VP's with no span of control etc. It is rampant and ludicrous in ATS. My AVP and VP happen to both be technical and engaged in the work we do. They also have an open door policy whereas if we need support on a solution or direction I can skip level and ask them for advice (neither are from legacy SBC and both are from other legacy companies). This is not the norm in ATS. I have worked for multiple other Director's, AVP's and VP's in the past who were totally removed from the work we supported and were not as technically savvy. I have to say the leadership we now have after re-orgs are both technically astute and are engaged and it is refreshing.
Heard the same. The main target this time is the L3 and L4s. That doesn’t mean the rest of us that are not on that level is “safe.” We should know better by now but I have always wondered why do we have so many of these VPs and what exactly do they do or how do they contribute to the success of this organization other than reading a progress or result on the power point slides?? Progress or results that were created by people that actually PERFORMED the work which who also understand the data better because once again they DID the work. I mean what do these people AVP, VP, SVP, EVP do? Why are there so many of them across the org? Maybe before cutting the front liners, sit with these higher up and actually assess if they are truly needed in these positions? It’s time to consolidate.
I’ve been saying this for years, end of the year bonus payout should be the same for all levels (L1-L5). Let’s say 15% of base pay based on company performance. Do you agree?
It’s far beyond time they cut a slew of the grossly overpaid “fiefdom lords” (protecting their little kingdoms).
GM = General management level 3 or above
Only 25%? Will this just be round one!
Sorry, what is the GM title?
There are several orgs that have level 4 reporting to level 4. There are instances where level 2 managers reported to level 4 and now have been moved to report to level 3. Funny thing is the level 3 has absolutely no work. So GMs are protecting other GMs so they dont have to do their jobs and protect level 3 titles.
On top of this take a look at webphone data, there are around 400 GMs that have TW as their work location. I dont know how GMs are not required to be in Dallas. If u want folks to collaborate u should at least require this at the GM level and not just allow those folks to be grandfathered. They all get 19% + bonus and another set of stock options with ability to defer salary. There is no GM in this company that cant be replaced, as their skill has become strictly admin and meetings with others at same level.
This company has a skyscraper management layer structure instead of the traditional pyramid. And at the end of the day the cuts have to reach those higher levels to balance out the level 1 and 2 cuts over the last few years. GMs should have at least 8-12 managers not individual contributors somewhere between 75-150 on head count.
The amount of money saved by making these cuts would be millions of dollars.
When are they going to layoff the Stink for all his failures? I know, fantasy, he gets rewarded every year with a big raise and a large bonus. Oh, well let the layoffs continue for the masses that didn’t do any wrong.
Finally they will start cutting L3 and L4. There are too many of them especially after thousands of L2 were laid off or will be laid off by EOY.
It's ridiculous that random AVPs are added above Director levels that do nothing.
OMG I would ki-l to have one that just did nothing. Frankly that is the best case scenario for people at that level.
If they truly cut the severance package it is going to get very ugly very fast. That is really the only leverage the company has left to enforce their m0r0nic policy edicts. Cut it and RTO is over.
There is still so much dead weight around.
It's ridiculous that random AVPs are added above Director levels that do nothing. Cuts should start at the very top.
I actually heard this very thing from a credible source myself. Span of control will get larger more employees per supervisor. Maybe they have cut as many worker bees as they can and now they are going after the larger salaries to keep FCF going. We’ll see I suppose.
ATS is bloated with non technical people with technical titles, relying upon a technical few. ATS is wiping out technical people with the same net used on non technical ones. Lots of L3 IC’s too. Legg’s ATS is rife with alignment problems. You can see the signs of it all over webphone. Yes, take a moment and really dig into it.
In the end, after ATS sheds 25%, many teams will shut themselves down because they can’t be ran and won’t be needed
The reason some people in ATS have higher rated titles is to compensate them at market rates for their knowledge and skills. Now those that are just power point, meeting warriors should be cut. Level 4 and above are mostly on the friends and family plan or sycophants.
Glad I declined! Severance is getting cut to 25% too! It’s a bloodbath!
This is a drop in the bucket, a 25% cut is a little more than 900 heads if you include all GMs, including the 1000 or so individual contributors who are just regular knowledge workers who get the GM title, with no direct reports.
If this is accurate, you had to know this was coming. More people followed their jobs to hubs than were expected to, that is a fact.
Their shadow layoff didn't go as expected so now they're going to have to flat-out gut some folks.
Good luck.
There is too many L4 with O or max 3-4 employees. It is time to consolidate.
There are GM with no directs. There should be no GM with less than at least ten directs, and at least 40 people in their group. ATS is the worst offender (Jeremy Legg organization).
- T needs a 100% Stink reduction target - Fire the Stink!
- T needs a 25% reduction target for officers.
- T needs a 100% reduction in corporate jets. Sell'em!
- T needs a 100% replacement for the BoD.
There should be a policy that if you relocate and they surplus you within 24 months, you get double severance package.