Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Unsolicited advice from a layoff vet

I've been in IT for 25 years and have been laid off 3 times. I anticipate being laid off a fourth time here due to "location strategy".

My first layoff was in 2009 after the company I worked for was purchased by private equity and they canceled our product.

My second layoff was at a law firm that wanted to exit my line of business.

My third layoff was in the early days of covid and the freak out was in high gear. I worked at a small startup which relied on relocation of people around the country - this stopped.

Minus the covid layoff, each one caught me by surprise. I was midstream in projects, had project plans and big recent successes. In one case I was conducting a morning scrum when the HR guy (grim reaper) rolled into my office with management to share the great news. There was a few days when I was stunned and a bit angry at my employer.

What you should do now : cut your personal expenses to the bone and save money. If you know or suspect a layoff, do it now. If for some reason you make it out the other side and still have your job (and want to stay), you will have some financial padding for when this happens again. Also, retool. Been putting off a certification? Perhaps research into a work related topic? Get on it. Been on the fence about a career change? Make a plan now, not when under duress. Considering starting a side gig? That's right! Do it now.

Take rosy messages from your manager with a grain of salt. It is in management's best interest to keep you in place and working until the last moment. All of my managers knew what was coming and they never shared it in advance. When layoffs were happening elsewhere, I was being gas-lit by my manager. They may have a short lead time, but they all knew in advance.

When you get laid off, give yourself a few days to breathe, relax and gain perspective. Some people get emotional. It is not the end of the world. You are going to be fine and no one is going to die. Unless you had issues with job performance you likely did fine and this was a financial decision. The money you saved NOW will give you some padding and time to find a job.

Finally, you may select a bad job out of desperation. I did this twice. Sweat shop dev jobs that paid poorly and worked you to death. Also, making a poor decision could set you up for the next layoff (which is probably why in 2 of my layoffs). My previous employers didn't pay severance - only accrued vacation required by law. I never want to work for places that treated people like that. If you have a financial pad you can be more discerning in your job selection. Also, exchange personal contact info with people you may want references from in the future or keep in touch with for networking. At this places, when it happens, you are disconnected immedately.

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Post ID: @OP+1tsRYrna

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One thing I realized is that this layoff board is very addictive. Once you get hooked on this site, you might end up wasting all day just surfing this layoff board. You post your comment, someone argues with your comment, back and forth, checking how many votes you got, etc... all day. So I started making hard efforts not to visit this board.

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Post ID: @dql+1tsRYrna

This place is a dumpster fire. Bring out the jigglers and respond in kind.

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Post ID: @nbz+1tsRYrna

When I get depressed, I listen to Metallica. I feel better.

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Post ID: @piv+1tsRYrna

Before my time, but find much solace in old Clint Eastwood movies.
In particular: A fistful of Dollars, A few Dollars More, The Good The Bad and Ugly, and Hang em High. Any of those will help with corporate bs until the morning comes.

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Post ID: @dzv+1tsRYrna

When feeling hopeless at work, I resort to buy something for my family or myself.

But the corporate life is getting to the point of constant burnout and stress - it is getting harder to save money while managing it.

I tried to switch to TV shows, but they are actually worse. They add to stress than relieving it.

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Post ID: @wyc+1tsRYrna

well said.

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Post ID: @crj+1tsRYrna

Thank you OP and @yhu+1tsRYrna - I find this very helpful and yes we all need to find what works for us and keep trying... after all each one of us are unique in our own ways!

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Post ID: @yvb+1tsRYrna

Great perspective OP.

Along with your advice, during my layoff period (twice now), I use the mind game of thinking of myself as owner of a company.

Each day my purpose is to meet the demand for my life saving critical widgets. I write out the widget production schedule on paper and transfer it to Excel at the end of the day for easier recall later.

It starts off generic, then each day will get more specific as needed. I set a price for each widget to add hypothetical incentives (listen up WF, employees need incentives) to meet the goal.

Again, this is generic. There's a lot of fun to be had when tracking time, determining widget codes, setting prices, etc.

The key here is the structure and logging of daily events. It all adds up fast and really improves your confidence in job interviews

DAY 1
06am-07am - wake up (widget #001) $1.00
07am-08am - exercise (#002) $50.00
08am-09am - breakfast (#003) $1.00 ($5.00 if healthy option)
09am-11am - section 2 of training course (#004) $100.00
11am-12pm - job search (#005) $10.00
12pm-01pm - learn to play music instrument (#006) $75.00
01pm-02pm - go for a walk (#007) $30.00
02pm-03pm -section 3 of training course (#008) $125.00

10pm-11pm - Upload sched to Excel, write new sched for Day#2 (#999999). $500.00

I know this might sound foolish to some. To be a better human being is to figure out what works for you and then try. Just try.

For me, this provides structure and responsibility that Wells Fargo never asked of me. They expected so little and it does hurt at times to never have had the opportunity at the bank to maximize my abilities and advance further in my chosen field.

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Post ID: @yhu+1tsRYrna

All this BS from WF is a "financial decision" alright, one designed to fill the pockets in Hudson Yards and exterminate everyone else. FHY, every last one of them. Nothing but liars and thieves. WE earn $5B/quarter and all they do is blow it to boost their personal WFC shares. They will su-k the soul out of this company, get rich doing it, and leave the dying husk behind as they sail into the sunset.

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Post ID: @vea+1tsRYrna

"Unless you had issues with job performance you likely did fine and this was a financial decision." Not true for Wells Fargo. Managers set everyone up to fail. Been there done that. This could have easily been Googled. It's nothing new. The pastures are much greener elsewhere.

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