What are the chances of PIP survival anyone have the numbers?
Somebody asked this in another thread and I'd really like to find out the answer as well. Is there any way for us to know how many people survive their PIP versus those who are fired? I'm not counting those who quit themselves.
@1wbn I believe the results are already determined no matter how hard you work on your PIP assignments
There is no surviving. You are sc--wed and have a black mark. You may pass but forget ever being viewed as someone who should be given good opportunities. Likely you will be PIPed again and again until you are fired.
Why would anyone want to survive a PIP. They are trying to get rid of you, so leave with dignity. Tell them to kiss the back of you AZ on the way out the door...
Sorry guys but I work at BTC. We don't have anything that's called PIP. What is it? Please explain.
I’ve heard of some who have passed in the past, but the process was he-l and their career never recovered. I saw too many people sc--wed over too many times. They worked like their life depended on it only to be sacked anyway. After the layoffs cloaked as NSI happened (in 2020, I think), I bailed the moment I hit 55.
Her manager was in on it as well. He has kids with heath issues so he probably wanted to take out some of his anger at work. Then I think they tried to cover it all up.
She walks around with an obnoxious laugh. Maybe she should focus some of that energy on doing her actual job.
Even if you survive the PIP, it’s a slow March out the door and an invitation to look for a better care path.
No salary increase, you will be the next target again
He had degraded lungs from his treatment. For the sake of his privacy I won’t discuss what the health condition was but he couldn’t breathe.
@1lrc Getting the Covid vaccine and booster is almost guaranteed to keep you out of the hospital, if you even catch it at all.
@ldy+1twjoxbZ I know about the Covid story listed on the other NSI thread. That guy was avoiding the hospital because he didn’t want to rack up a whole bunch of medial bills. Supervisor took advantage and would slam the guy and told him to come in and act normal or else he would suffer consequences. Was sad to watch.
Are all the PIPs already communicated?
If your Supervisor NSI’d you intentionally and you are under same Supervisor for PIP then passing not likely.
I watched a coworker jump through ever hoop and successfully completed every PIP task then failed because same person that NSI’d him was judging his PIP.
Another factor was that year management gave high targets to achieve and possibly nobody passed that year.
HR only have a % for ppl to be in PIP, but not how many to fail pip. It depends on your supervisor and the pip items given.
But the first question shld be if you are ok with:
If you are not, jump and get the additional pay from next company and refresh your record.
(Note majority of the companies does not practice this Cut throat forced ranking).
If you are ok with the above,
Good luck
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You should be able to tell from your supervisors behaviour if they necessarily agree with you being nsi'd or not. If they look like they're trying to make you stay, chances are they will prepare an easy pip for you. If you can read the writings on the wall, then it'll likely be harder.
I was blind sided a few years back with a NSI. My manager was emotional delivering me the news, begging me to stay. I give them the benefit of the doubt and subsequently I cruised through the pip. Got OwD the next year, shortly followed with a 30% increase (CL increase & change in role/promotion). So NSI is no longer a death sentence.
@OP A PIP (Paid Interview Process) is just a company’s way of putting you on notice that you’ll be let go, if not now then certainly later.
Update your resume and start applying to jobs the second you hear something like this from your boss. In fact, you should be doing that anyway, whether or not you’re on a PIP.
I don’t think either of those guys were on PiP but it still goes to show how crazy supervisors can be.
I remember back in 2021 that HR formally said that 90% of those that were put on a PIP passed. What their statistics failed to mention was what percentage of people were NSI’d and took the PIL instead of the performance plan.
Check out the NSI thread where this was posted. They bullied some new hire so bad that he landed in the hospital. There was also some guy with COVID who they pushed so hard that he ended up with a brain injury this place is crazy. I think they tried to silence both those guys.
This a better answer to your question. When you are PIPED by EM. It does not matter what you do, you are doomed.
When we began we-ponizing the PIP in 2021 to reduce headcount your chances were essentially nil, and everybody I knew took the PIL.
Since then the percentage of people being put into NSI has dropped, and my impression from the outside is most places are making the PIP extremely easy to pass. Most groups don’t have anybody retired in place or slackers hiding in the cracks, and managers don’t want to lose a member of the team when our absurd hiring policies wouldn’t allow you to replace them within a year unless you’re lucky. So I’ve heard of managers hinting during the discussion of how easy it’s going to be, stuff like show up to work by this time, etc. And then for what it’s worth, I don’t even recall anybody I work with “unexpectedly leaving” in the August time frame last year, so I think what I’ve heard is correct.
In a good year 25%
But after 3 years probably 5%.
Even if you survive the PIP, it’s a slow March out the door and an invitation to look for a better care path.