My LOB has informed us that they won't tolerate "coffee badging" any longer and we'll be dinged on year end reviews if we don't comply. What's the current thinking on how many hours that means we need to be in the office? I've heard mention of 2, 4, 6 hours? Any managers who can provide some real-life reporting insight?
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@2ajv+1uPGF8Rr is correct, can verify.
First rule of fight club? Do not talk about fight club.
Of course if your manager is on site or you have a petty team member on-site, you mileage may vary.
I'm a manager of managers who sees the reporting. it does NOT have hours in the report, and I know based on my own in/out pattern that there is not a flag or indicator if someone spends less than a specific # of hours. (managers can see their own attendance reporting along with their staff's)
As someone already mentioned on this thread, the data exists somewhere on in/out time, but it has to be requested by opening an ER case and you have to have reason to suspect that there is an issue with a specific individual. There is also the old fashioned way - having someone on site observing when people come/go but that would be also impossible to maintain accurately unless the monitor was in 5 days a week and long hours to cover every possible start and depart time.
Of course
My team and I all live within 30 minutes of the office and we like the camaraderie. We show up.
Funny that you think driving around town and wandering around big office buildings full of distractions is "work". 90% of my actual work is done at home. I only go to a building because they make me. Not much gets done there and production is definitely down compared to when I used to be treated like an adult. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the executives give a damn where you work. They don't. The ONLY reason for RTO was to motivate as many people as possible to quit. That's it. There's no other motives. They don't care about CRE. They don't care about collaboration. They want to eliminate the vast majority of the domestic work force and they want to do it as cheaply as possible. They will get rid of you at the first opportunity, which means as soon as HR can get it done without legal entanglements or completely shutting down the company. I'm in the same boat. Everyone in the US that's not somehow directly involved in sales or other things where you have to physically be in the US and must be internal. Everything else goes. And as they get rid of the rest of us, go ahead and ask yourself how much us being "in the office" matters, to the people that want us all to quit.
I really wonder about you guys sometimes. There's a pretty shocking degree of naivete among those that haven't yet been personally impacted by the Great purge.
@1rys+1uPGF8Rr I’m sorry you have such a micro manager. Pancreatitis is no joke! I can’t imagine telling someone who had to go to the hospital to make up the time!
6 hours for me. And it's tracked because I left one day around 5.5 hours to go to the ER and ended up having pancreatitis and my manager (who was sympathetic to my plight) said I'd need to use PTO to get back up to 3 days for the week because the team/system that does tracking doesn't really care why you missed 3 days a week.
It would be a slippery slope as far as FLSA to discipline employees based on hours worked as another poster mentioned. Otherwise it would most likely be a policy. How enforceable is something not written down?
@1mth+1uPGF8Rr "8 hrs days or u get paid for what u work....can't believe hours is a topic"
Hey azzzhole, we all work 10 to 12 hour days when working hybrid. 6 to 8 hours from Home plus office time. Sit the fck down.
My manager has shown me the in office report and my 2-4 hours count as a day in office.
I returned to office in March ‘22 after being remote for 10 years. Manager told the entire team to basically stay as long as you want. Most of us would hang around for 3-4 hours and head home. We would log on from home and usually work more than 8 hours. I continue to do this and it’s never been an issue. I remember going to CIC in those early days and I would go hours without seeing a single person. People started slowly showing up after six months or so. Was surreal. Not the place is packed. Crazy times.
In my area, it's 6 hours min. If you bring a pecan pie to work it's reduced to 4 hours.
If you have a micro-manager, you're cooked. I'm on East coast, while my manager is on the West coast. He doesn't give a sht how many hours I spent at the office, as long as I badge in 3 times a week. But I actually do go in 5 days a week; but only because I literally live a block away (I prefer running my code from the office). Now, I've spent from 45 minutes to a max of 5 hours in the office (post-covid). If I have a lot of meetings back to back, I do 3 to 4 hours. If have to run a quick query, 1 to 2 hours. But again, my manager is not a micro-manager. I totally depends who is managing you.
8 hrs days or u get paid for what u work....can't believe hours is a topic
Some say 4 or 6 - but I’ve stayed for an hour sometimes 2. Probably been doing this for a year. I’ll take my chances. Should be laid off next year.
What is coffee badging?
I think it all depends on if you sit in the same location as your group and/or manager. I also like the point made around exempt employees. tracking total number of hours is hard but they could probably with some accuracy determine who is only coming in for an hour or two based on your lan traffic in office and VPN. if they consider a half day pto to count as in office then you could argue 4 hour minimum. Guidance I have seen is 6+ hours but when all is said and done it is up to the reporting and alerts managers are getting and how closely managers are looking at it. there are alert emails managers get if your aren't meeting the minimum. I would hope your manager wouldn't spring it on you the end of the year that you didn't meet requirements and would provide feedback as they get it.
8 in WIM in my area. That was our hours precovid & there has been no announcement to the contrary. & yes our team
Is tracked
ERC recently told me 4 hours. But I've never heard that from anyone in our organization.
Sorry OP, your LOB su-ks. Which one is it?
We have “favorites” in our group that does whatever they want while rest of us that don’t “su-k up” are always scrutinized
As understand it, and I could be wrong, if they start asking exempt employees, exactly how many hours they spend in the office, it starts to call into question their exempt status, and puts Wells Fargo in a precarious legal position in regards to paying us hourly or as accept employees
I heard 6 hours, but I know I have been the office < 6 hrs b/c I might have to take an early call before I go in.
if your manager likes you, it does not apply. You can do whatever you like
Ask your manager what reports show hours in office. Ask to actually see it. The reports I get don’t have that and I think measuring it is very difficult.
Suppose I arrive at an office with badged turnstiles 6:30am and leave 4pm. During the day I go out for coffee with colleague for 25 minutes. I get lunch for 35 minutes. I go to Walgreens 15 to get some cough drops in deference to gloormates mid afternoon. What should my on-site hours be that day?