100% honest question. Now, after the company made their "best and final" offer, and I assume they mean it or their words won't mean s... ever again, and the union rejected it, how will this play out? Will one of the parties be forced by the feds to accept the offer or demand of the other? Will someone else decide what's in the middle and force both to agree? Can anyone even do that? If not, will T have to eventually let go of the striking work force? Can they? From the union side, I think it's a bit more straightforward, just depends on much more their members can sacrifice before they have no choice but to give up, but let's assume that is a lot, and they can strike forever and will not accept anything less than what they ask for, where can it all go from here? Surely T won't let this be the end of them, but they claim they made their "best and final" offer, so what now?
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"Best and final" means nothing.
The only best and final offer is the one they finally agree to.
Waiting on the final, final, finally better, final final best ever offer!
The experience you're talking about is useless because I have zero intention of pivoting into such a role.
Right, did you stop reading at the part that angered you, or did you read that whole post, because I said exactly that in the second half.
cwa will morph into something else with ill gotten cash, union workers will evaporate, att will evolve into an ai based gov controlled telecom. nwo
I mean, idk about very little training, I agree it takes times to get good, but also as the strike continues, those managers in the field are getting more and more experienced with every job they do
You're kidding, right? The experience you're talking about is useless because I have zero intention of pivoting into such a role. None of us are running to take your job - we have our own jobs and lives. This CP nonsense is just a song and dance that we are forced to do because the company would otherwise fire us, which is probably exactly what they want to do.
The end game for me:
Time off to get projects completed around the house.
Complete some online classes for my next job.
All this while the countdown to MR75 keeps ticking. Life is good!
iyhk+
Honey I'm not a man and you didn't run.
Great post! Patience is a virtue.
Stankey has a replacement plan for each and every employee at ATT.
All hail, STANKEY!
Time to start openly contracting out all work.
Yes, it is already being done and has been for many many years, just not all work and it is/has been done semi-covertly. CWA has known for years but has never opted to actually put a stop to it.
Time for the company to just admit it and contract all work. They can send all jobs to the contractors and existing employees can apply for jobs at contracting companies.
“That ain't what your little wifey told me. She loves that "telephone game". Daughter says your a little late with the college payments. We worked a deal. Dang fine weekend.”
They have low standards. Aren’t you the prev we are always running away from in the office?🤢🤢🤢 Nobody wants a man that’s disgusting and poor like you.
In our area of the SE , us CP managers always had to make our own poles from pine trees and dig them in with a tablespoon. We make our own fiber cable by eating coke bottles and electrical tape. We walk uphill both ways to the yard. We don't need y'all.
Yes! My corporate children of dark fiber are emerging as the witching hour approaches.
The CP resistance must control the layoff boards because AT&T and it's emperor Stanley are the epitome of lost jobs and dollars, it's our specialty!!
Continuing your propaganda campaign , weaving spells and illusions of relevance and conquests in the fields of battle.
When the unionists are defeated the elite CP managers shall inherit this grand operation.
You are making Stank proud with your vitreous hate and false pride and delusions of grandeur and relevance. Continuing bringing up your rears for us!
“ As a tech, I can say half of them are probably better at the different individual jobs than their current crew.”
Send them our way in Atlanta, have some manhole work for them cause we sure don’t know how to work on it.
These comments are lol. In the area of the southeast where I'm at, about 80% of the managers doing CP work right now were not only techs for 10-20 yrs, they were also some of the most accomplished and hardest working. They were promoted for their knowledge and work ethic. As a tech, I can say half of them are probably better at the different individual jobs than their current crew. Probably not that way in other places. Hope it gets settled. MHO.
The company has always looked the other way when damages to the plant takes place. They have always claimed damages from striking employees. Kinda like Thug in Florida, the managers didn't see anything.
They would get lockjaw if they ever told the truth. And OP, GFY
Yeah, good point. I'm sure they're plenty busy with new business as it is, it's not worth it.
I saw some claims online that other carriers in the area might be intentionally damaging AT&T's equipment/lines, causing outages that can't be fixed at this time, so customers then switch to them. Is there any validity to this?
Someone made a post last night about some fiber that has been cut multiple times in the last few weeks, but it somehow got deleted. I don't think third parties are necessarily to blame. I mean, the lack of service, installs, repairs, etc. is doing a lot of that work for them, they don't need to do the extra damage. I don't think it's other companies.
The funniest part of this thread is the union slugs realizing that anyone can do their jobs with very little training. And all you goofs wonder why T hasn’t settled. You are easily replaced….
I mean, idk about very little training, I agree it takes times to get good, but also as the strike continues, those managers in the field are getting more and more experienced with every job they do, so idk, eventually they will probably get pretty decent. The question is, would they want to continue working as techs? I suspect, no matter how good they can get in theory, none of them really want that. It's not what they signed up for.
OP here. Alright, you guys are starting to get off-topic :D What is it with people starting to fantasize about someone else's wife every time?
Anyway...
Question. I saw some claims online that other carriers in the area might be intentionally damaging AT&T's equipment/lines, causing outages that can't be fixed at this time, so customers then switch to them. Is there any validity to this?
The funniest part of this thread is the union slugs realizing that anyone can do their jobs with very little training. And all you goofs wonder why T hasn’t settled. You are easily replaced…..😂😂😂
That ain't what your little wifey told me. She loves that "telephone game". Daughter says your a little late with the college payments. We worked a deal. Dang fine weekend.
“About to start on ATS work next that looks real easy too. ”
Good luck with that sh-t show especially if you’re under the barking chihuahua Legg and sleepy dog Ward. If you’re also under that babbling AVP than congratulations, you’ve scored the ultimate trifecta of lunacy and incompetence.
"your wife is next door trading a happy ending for a light bill payment"
I can help out with the water bill
The end result is T will implode because of it's own doing. The DTV debacle is putting it directly to the paying public. They avoid a lawsuit for not providing paid for services by offering a $20 credit. That's 11m customers. 20k+ had already dropped Att service in the SE before that debacle. Next is the labor strike of 17K employees. Then you have 15K reject their TA which will probably lead to a strike. That's not to mention security breaches, 911 outages and decisions made by your leader. It could possibly come to 150K workers on strike. Did I read where John is being investigated? Some brag about a $1 increase in stock price as Flying High while it has struggled. So yeah anything is possible even natural disaster or two. I had a vision.
Definition of insanity: Defending the CWA while you are only getting a welfare check, and your wife is next door trading a happy ending for a light bill payment.
I have been with AT&T since SBC assumed the the failing businesses name. I am impotent.
I have been with AT&T 25 years. Over that time I have maximized and invested every dollar I can possibly squeeze out of my budget. I have grown that into a modest $8 million portfolio. Any union employee who who upsets a company stock needs to be released from employment and blackballed from getting future employment.
seems like we’ve seen this sheet show in the 80’s. It was called eastern airlines. That worked out well. Keep ignoring the debt and see where that gets us. Randell sc--wed us all. It’s a hard truth but union and non-union better face the truth before it’s to late.
“ end game is to slowly replace union workers with contractors. Company is carrying $150 billion in debt. The balance sheet is unsustainable. This is the beginning of the end. Buckle up!”
Same old rhetoric right before contract every time. Didn’t stop Stankey from taking a 3 million dollar raise and giving large bonuses to all of management in March. There was over 16 billion free cash flow after the bills were paid, so there is that chicken 🐓 little.
I have had 6 hours of training in scrum work and I’m completing 80% of my projects with little help. I also took a course on programming and have developed the programs for the company without any issues. About to start on ATS work next that looks real easy too. 😂😂
end game is to slowly replace union workers with contractors. Company is carrying $150 billion in debt. The balance sheet is unsustainable. This is the beginning of the end. Buckle up!
“ I’m deployed, doing a job that I’ve never previously trained for. Took 8 hours hands on training and have been completing 75% of the outside tasks with little no issue”
You do realize they are scrubbing the jobs don’t you. I’ve done nearly every job there is outside over my 30 years. If you have never done that work before there is no way in h$ll you are even doing 15% of the whole job and completing 75%. I’m sure you aren’t doing full installs or locating and repairing difficult copper and fiber damages because that requires years of experience. Have you had to gaff a pole or resplice a large splice with multiple cables? How about manhole work, work on lead, air pressure, Do any cable throws, roll fibers? Work on RT’s and the equipment like a DDM1000 or 2000, work on hicap circuits, ASE circuits. Could go on for days.
I’m deployed, doing a job that I’ve never previously trained for. Took 8 hours hands on training and have been completing 75% of the outside tasks with little no issue. The remaining 25% require interaction with a supervisor, but still not a big deal. I don’t see what the deal is with how “ complicated” outside “ plant” work is so difficult.
The company negotiators told the union negotiators that they knew there would be more bargaining when they handed them the “final offer” across the table. Kind of like the car salesmen, it’s final offer until you get up, then it’s let me get my sales manager after that is another final offer even after you leave they will call the next day with a different or better deal.
Art of the deal, nobody is really fooled in this scenario, the company used it as a scare tactic for the union members. They sent out a text saying to go read it on HR OneStop “then urge CWA to let you vote on it.” Which is in violation and evidence for a ULP charge. They bypassed the union representatives and communicated directly with the members. Kind of like witness tampering, without counsel.
Maybe “final offer” is actually the second-to-last offer because they’re saving the name “best and final offer” for the actual final-final offer:
Yes the last and final step would be an arbitration or the federal panel. If Stankey doesn’t get it together that may be where it’s headed. As stated, their decision’s are final and it can go either way. I don’t think either side wants that, to have a party to make decisions that don’t really know the history or industry.
I saw a group of my peers staring at an open PFP cabinet as I passed the Atlanta training center the other day, they are being trained for installs. That’s hilarious, most were still wearing their office attire, 😆 is Stankey for real? No way are the majority of them going to be able to do that work!
the end game is about gaining 20 pounds after good eatin' at the strike bbq. I'm ready for mo'
forced by the feds
There is actually another fed option, though it may be considered the nuclear option. It's FSIP (Federal Services Impasses Panel) which can take several actions up to and including determining the contract terms themselves, and it would be both final and unappealable in any court. IMO, neither side would be happy with that option as it's more unpredictable, and neither the union nor the company would get everything, or even anything they want.
https://www.flra.gov/components-offices/components/federal-service-impasses-panel-fsip-or-panel
Mister lock out and replace them. What rock have you been hiding under, this has been discussed ad nauseam. Go do some searches on ULP actions under the NLRA or Wagner Act of 1935. Also read about collective bargaining and unions, it might enlighten you so you won’t continue to look like a clown 🤡