Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Get an accommodation. Tell your PCP you have headaches and dizziness and feel like you're going to pass out.

Legally, you set a precedent by ignoring corporate policy for several years. Your supervised remedy with the bank, your employer, is to return to office 3-days a week. Seeing you broke policy now required to prove compliance. In law, there is a no excuse doctrine. You are an at-will employee and lucky you retained your job after volitionally breaking corporate policy. You have no remedy against the bank. At most, a lawyer will be a quicker route to dismissal with a leave package and agreement you are forbidden to apply or work for wells fargo and any of their affiliates in the future.

You deserve to lose your job and die

FYI- the tracking/reporting system for RTO goes by badge swipes AND network usage. If you're badget tracks you in the office, but they see you're on VPN, there's gonna be some questions asked.

I am a manager in Ent. Incident Management and work weekends. But specialized group.

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I am obviously talking about jobs at Wells Fargo considering that is the whole discussion of this thread.

And a salaried bank manager would not be expected to work on the weekends in an office. Still waiting for a valid example...

“ I do not know of any salary jobs where regular work hours would be on the weekend, please name one.”
FAA control tower
Police officer
Dennys manager
Bank manager that has weekend hours
Not debating the rest of your post , but please come up with a starting sentence that is not so easy to refute.

I do not know of any salary jobs where regular work hours would be on the weekend, please name one.

As confirmed by OP, they are hourly so it makes sense that weekend hours would be permitted. OP must be leaving something out though, because it does not make sense that hours would not be counted, especially if hourly because they can easily review the VPN.

The last line says it all. If your site is scheduled for closure they aren’t really caring. So don’t sweat it. Wait for the layoff. Take a picture of yourself in front of the building if you want each day. They aren’t going to fire you for this if you are already on the list.
That said, unless your high up mgr has stated four hours is adequate one should assume their is an eight hour requirement if one doesn’t want their rating affected.

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Fist off, FRTO! The fact of the matter is stop whining and take some accountability! You tried to game the system and are now all bumhurt that you got busted.

Maybe if you stop trying to drive some fake narrative that you were in the office and deserve time accounted. Well guess what. Pretty much everyone knows banks are open M-F. The fact that you got caught gaming the system by swiping your badge on Saturday’s. Nice try on the so called evidence aka buying somethibg from the vending machine and grabbing a water on Saturday doesn’t count, and you k ow this. Nice try!

I bet you’re a contractor who is shaking in their pa-ties now that you are going to probably get PIP’d out. Serves ya right. It’s people like you that are the problem. Even bigger no, no…. YOU BROKE THE FIRST RULEOF FIGHT CLUB.

NOW GOT GET YOUR EFFIN SHINE-BOX! CHUMP!! THERE IS NO CRYING IN CAPITALISM!

OP: I heard RTO reports count both badge swipes (entrance) and if your work device (laptop), if you have one, is detected by the WF network after logging in. Not sure how long you have to be logged into network to get "credit" for being "in office." Not every office requires you to swipe out to leave the building. But every office probably requires you to log into a network. Not sure what happens if you use a VPN. Is it possible on the days they said you were not in office that you had not connected to the office networkor stayed for for a decent amount of time? I agree with previous posters that its a security tracking problem or a network issue.

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OP here. I am in fact hourly

I work one weekend day a week.

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Not all salary jobs are M-F.

it sounds ike the real issue here is that the badge swipes are not showing on a report, even though they were there

Interesting discussion. My manager has confirmed that we do get counted for weekends and travel days for being in office but we are also now being required to be in the office for 6 hours before we get credit for a day in the office. We were just told this so I don't know if they are using badging times or IP connection times. Thankfully 4 hours of PTO still seems to count as a day in the office. That will be really annoying if they ever stop counting that. Hopefully yall are luckier on not being tracked, I know it's ymmv on in office tracking and or group has been pretty hands off as long as you badged in three days a week until now.

Some people do work on weekends, especially in the call center sites. Maybe OP works at a call center

You’re gaming the system and I’m sure everyone around you knows were doing that but yet you wanna get a lawyer to defend you? Can’t you just follow the rules like everyone else I like my job I want to keep my job so I’m doing what I’m told and I’m not arguing about it. I’m not gaming the system to try to make a point. You’re right you shouldn’t get severance.

Just trying to make sure I understand. You’ve been trying to game the system by badging in on weekends (imperiling everyone else’s permission for hybrid work in the process) and now (1) you want our help with that and (2) you think a lawyer can assist.

Nice try scamming the system.

You are swiping on weekends? Pfff.... you know well that is not allowed unless your shift is on a weekend. Y'all better stop playing badge games or it will ruin it for everyone. 🤦‍♀️

Weekends do not count. And that is why OP is not getting credit for the weekend.

Would you coming in on a weekend have counted as coming to work, pre-covid? Obviously not. Would you be able to come in at midnight? Obviously not. These are things that do not need to be spelled out.

All RTO data includes IP address info. Are you not bringing in your laptop? It would register even if you don't dock and log into WLAN.

Also, weekends do in fact count.

Technically, if you left your laptop in the office over the weekend, the data would pick up Saturday and Sunday

If this job is salaried exempt, which it likely is, then the hours are M-F.

Hourly employees would be looked at completely differently.

The fact that OP mentioned the 4 hours of PTO lets me know that they are salaried and the work hours for those jobs are always business days, M-F.

While this post was claimed to be short and vague, it turned out to be long and oddly specific.

if it is an IT issue then work with IT to resolve it. The reporting is a combination of badge and network login so even if your badge didn't get locked up your network login should have. If you are really there and concerned then take a picture of you badging in or in the office and email it to yourself and boss each day.

From the prior post… So bc of this they have made edits to the backend logic to not count days and times outside of work hrs….. THIS IS FALSE. Not every job is Mon-Fri 8-5 hours. There are customer service, tech and other roles which may work weekends and evenings. The only thing the report looks at is whether there was a badge swipe or a network connection. This is likely just a short term issue with the report which will get resolved.

I go in 5 days, at least 8 hrs, every week

Your issue is weekend swipes. I know previously there were inconsistencies with the report bc people living in large metropolitan areas were coming in at like 11:45 pm on Thurs and swiping for thursday credit. Then leaving at Midnight swiping back in at 12:01 am to get Friday credit. So bc of this they have made edits to the backend logic to not count days and times outside of work hrs. Also i’ve not seen the dashboard personally but I know they have a way of counting workday only. weekends would be excluded from the view. I know this bc I use to be a dashboard developer. You either need to get an exception from your manager which is unlikely for weekends to be counted or pick a week day to get your 3 days. Please consider yourself lucky there are groups at WF that are back to 4 and 5 days fully in office. They are getting their hours tracked. Like 8hrs is considered full day, so if your biggest issue is a weekday, you are doing pretty good still. My group doesn’t even do averages anymore, it’s 3 days in office per week. We have been told if we are sick use 4hr PTO to make up the missed day. They aren’t even willing to allow us to come in the following week for 5 days to average it out. And before you ask, yes we are salaried employees MC our leader is a crazed nut.

A weekend day is the problem? You are still trying to cheat RTO. The problem is entirely you.

Go in 5 days a week M-F until your average gets above 3 days.

RTO may be silly for many positions, but being an adult means doing things you don’t want to do but still have to do.

@OP you put so many words here. I don’t even read your replies because you’re either refusing reality or doing some deep trolling.

All of the badge in / out data is in splunk. Find a friend in IT to query it for you.

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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, the day that I'm having an issue with is a weekend day and my manager doesn't work that day. I don't see how a random screenshot in office is any more valid than say: my receipts for car rentals, bank records showing I purchased something in office, etc.

It should be obvious I was in the office due to my chair, mouse, other personal items being moved.

If it came down to an actual legal matter (say a lawsuit for unfair termination), I have no doubt I could prove I was in office based on bank records, texts, etc (that is my reason for bringing them up)

It is just weird AF to me that my taps on a specific day are disappearing. I finally understand the term gaslighting first-hand after this.

If it's your opinion that my group's requirements don't meet what you think counts as "in office" that's fine. We can debate that. It's not a secret in this forum that each LOB seems to have its own RTO policies (for instance: we do 3x a week, while others in our office do one week RTO, one week WFH). My manager has specifically told me that there is NO requirement for my group to spend 4 hours a day in office. Is there a reason people aren't understanding that?

This sounds like an issue with the RTO tracking system. If the door unlocks when you swipe, the system IS recording who badges through. Network use is also obviously tracked. The company knows exactly where you are working from and where you badged in.

Anyway, the methods you are using to "prove" that you were there are odd. Just do a teams meeting with the office clearly in the background...make sure your boss is the other person in the meeting. Take screen shots during the process, email them to yourself. There's no denying you were in the office in that scenario. The access control system documented it, Teams documented it, it's documented in teams, your manager saw it first hand, and you have evidence.

Anyway, FRTO, and the lie that is "Location Strategy".

As OP I want to be clear here:

The issue is NOT the amount of hours spent in office.

The issue is that on a specific day of the week, every week for the last 3 weeks, my badge taps are NOT showing for the day, even though I was there and tapped my badge in and out in those instances. They are also the days I actually spend MORE time in the office.

The issue that was brought to me by my manager wasn't related to the amount of time in the office, but rather that I only "badged in" 2 our of 3 days, when I was there all 3

RTO is a d-mb policy for sure, but it's no secret they are using it to fire people for cause. I'd be looking for a new job if I were you. I'd say more, but you seem to already know.

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Sorry to tell you most of my teammates, including my manager don't work a full 4 hours in office on their "in office days". We are all very transparent about it. My manager and teammates post in our team chat constantly about leaving early to pick up their kids, or take them to after school activities.

Moreover, my manager has EXPLICITLY told me that for our group there is no minimum amount of hours required in office to meet the minimum RTO requirement.

Funny enough, the days that are missing on my report are the days I spend the most time in office... The previous two days show up for those weeks, even though I was there for a lesser amount of time.

As an aside, people like you are why I'm so ready to be done with this company after over a decade. Even when there is shady stuff going on, there's always someone in the company who wants to kiss the executives "where the sun doesn't shine" in hopes it will save them in the end.

Some of us started going into the office when we were told to RTO and didn’t “test” them on it, so no sympathy for you.

“…… I don't always stay a full 4-hours in the office…..”

You’re already wrong, retain as many lawyers as you like but you’ve lost. It doesn’t matter what your direct or even +2 says. It is absolutely clear from the CEO, head of HR, every other true exec that “the spirit and intent of RTO is to spend the full day in the office.”

Im not saying that people follow it (myself included) but it is very clear that is the policy. If/When I get s-canned for only going in to work for 15min 3 days a week I know what’s up.

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I agree it doesn't make sense. I rent a car to go to the office since RTO came into effect (cheaper than owning in my area). I have receipts from those days showing I at least rented a car, plus texts between me and my spouse where I say I'm driving home. I know it's not "concrete evidence" but I can prove I was there on those days from receipts.

I've talked to security and they don't have any way of affecting our badge taps (editing/deleting). I can't figure out why those days are missing when I was actually there! I feel l like I'm being gaslighted on this topic.

Have you talked to your building security? How can the door open if your badge swipe didn't register? Makes no sense. Also, do some Teams meetings on camera with your manager or something.