How much longer are we gonna pretend this makes sense?
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Our Director believes an early round in 2025 will be those who continue to oppose returning to their local office. He wants everyone to read the writing on the wall and lose the negative attitude before we return from the holidays. One comment he made was to give some thought as to how surplus selections were made, and then he repeated it a few minutes later before asking if he needed to say it a third time. He closed with be smart, don't put me in the position of having to submit your name as someone I can afford to lose.
Who’s your director? I’ve been dying to get on a surplus list but can’t seem to get my name on one. Wish they’d have a MVO, would so gladly leave. Love what I do but Stanley has made this company lethally toxic. When I tell people the depths to which this company monitors us they all call T “The Nanny State”. And very thankful they didn’t make careers here
“I like the RTO five days. Just like it used to be. It was only changed because of the C Virus. Why the complaining”
Really?? Most of us had a hybrid model of in office 1-2 days a week and if your team is geographically disbursed, like mine, we worked from home. Easy to collaborate with each other, in fact it was much easier when we didn’t have all the freaking background noise of everyone else from 10 different locations. Now we coordinate a day where we all stay home in order to collaborate without all the background chaos of the current cramped hotel office
And every organization I’ve been in stopped doing 5 days a week since the mid 1990s. You must really work with some old mentalities
Bottom line
What has happened to T-Mobile? Actually, that's a pretty easy question to answer. With CEO Mike Sievert apparently more interested in the well-being of the company's stock instead of the company's subscribers, making sure that every nickel and dime goes right to the carrier's coffers is job one for the company's chief executive.That explains why a T-Mobile subscriber just received a notice stating that T-Mobile’s policy regarding temporary suspensions and promotional offers has been updated.
stop-gap: look into coffee badging.
RTO makes sense because it removes the comfort that your home gives you. It removes any home distractions that you are limited too at a business office
Oy vey, so many misplaced assumptions in that post…
- Have you ever worked in an office? The gossip, noise and so on are PLENTY distracting. Don’t have any of that at home.
- Do you have kids? School drop off/pick up isn’t flexible. When I work from home, I can and do start 30+ minutes earlier because you know, I don’t have to sit in a car to drive to do teams calls that can be done from anywhere. I absolutely put in more working time at home because I waste less time getting the other stuff done.
- Yup sometimes you have to do stuff during the day like picking up a kid if they have to come home early or if they get sick at school. When I work from home that takes 20 minutes and I’m back to work. When I work from the office, that takes over an hour and I’m either done for the day or I just do a cursory email check. When I have a dr appt and work from home I lose say 90 minutes. If I have to go to the office, add another 45. And no I’m not staying late. Too bad. I know what I need to do and can manage my time.
- Yup my home setup is more comfortable. The desk, chair, lighting etc fit me. That makes me more productive. How awful. Never watched a soap opera in my life and as long as work gets done properly who cares? If work gets done at 8PM instead of 4PM who cares as long it’s done and done well. If you can’t get your work done at home then do it in an office setting or maybe do something else.
Yup some people abuse the ability to work remote. They should be fired. And no one ever sc--ws around in an office. Oh wait, they do.
Yup there are some jobs that can’t be done remotely. In the last four years a lot of people have seen that their job is one that can be done remotely and in many ways can be done better. Too bad so many are so hard headed and backward they just can’t fathom that concept
Just say what we all know - that you really don’t give a sh-t about employees.
Some seem to not be aware of this point. As long as C-suite people get a significant amount of their compensation based on stock appreciation that isn’t going to change. Show a lower head count number and the stock goes up regardless of some companies doing well financially which is something different from the past. Looks like everything is subordinate to them reaching that 2.5 ratio per the timeframe they have given Wall Street and willing to take some hits to make that happen. Read in another post there are some exceptions to RTO being 100%. I would assume that if you count in salary, benefits, etc, every 10 people who are let go equates to over a million in expenses saved.
RTO makes sense because it removes the comfort that your home gives you. It removes any home distractions that you are limited too at a business office. You cannot sneak out for 20 minutes to bring your kid to work or catch your 30 min soap opera. It removes the chance of someone working a second remote job at the same time or setup a whole day trading setup to do none work activities. Those last two are actual examples that have lead to terminations at AT&T. If your serious about your career just physically GO to work and not just clock in from your bed when your alarm woke you up 1 minute before then you walk ten feet from your bed and login to your computer before you spend 45 minutes helping your kids get ready and make yourself coffee before you do any real work. Majority is claiming they are more efficient at home when in reality most are not and only a small percent are really putting in the effort. People are just lazy most times and want their way. RTO complaining is bringing light to those who are lazy. if you serious you would just accept the change and do what's necessary to build your career and keep the paycheck coming. Not keyboard complaining.
Some of us are paid by our customers to be available 24X7 365 unless we are out of the office for vacation, sick time and or more recently care time and had been WFH for 15 years plus prior to RTO. I put in more hours working from home logged in and actively doing by job from 5:30 AM to at least 6:00 PM unless I was handling a customer issue then there were times, we worked 24 hours straight so don't say everyone who WFH were lazy, didn't do right by the customer. Currently I log in around 7:30 AM when I get to the office and log off at 5:00 PM to head home which makes me unavailable for the next 2 hours. Done until the next day (unless of course receive a call from the customer at 2:00 AM)
Someone posted that the tax savings are a little over 1 billion. If true that is quantifiable and not an insignificant amount of money.
If this is true then just say we’re doing this because of tax breaks, the desire to get rid of people and that we don’t trust our employees. Cut the collaboration BS that can be easily debunked. I’d actually respect these people a lot more if they were just honest and I bet others would too. Just say what we all know - that you really don’t give a sh-t about employees.
It’s like those Amazon ads trying to whitewash their sweatshops. Everyone knows they’re a horrible employer that has no issue literally working people to death. Some stupid ad won’t change that. Same for the collaboration and productivity BS around RTO.
RTO makes sense because it removes the comfort that your home gives you. It removes any home distractions that you are limited too at a business office. You cannot sneak out for 20 minutes to bring your kid to work or catch your 30 min soap opera. It removes the chance of someone working a second remote job at the same time or setup a whole day trading setup to do none work activities. Those last two are actual examples that have lead to terminations at AT&T. If your serious about your career just physically GO to work and not just clock in from your bed when your alarm woke you up 1 minute before then you walk ten feet from your bed and login to your computer before you spend 45 minutes helping your kids get ready and make yourself coffee before you do any real work. Majority is claiming they are more efficient at home when in reality most are not and only a small percent are really putting in the effort. People are just lazy most times and want their way. RTO complaining is bringing light to those who are lazy. if you serious you would just accept the change and do what's necessary to build your career and keep the paycheck coming. Not keyboard complaining.
“Ok geniuses so provide numbers, data,’reporting that demonstrates how sitting on teams calls from a glass box surrounded by other people on their own teams calls helps the business.”
The RTO is a hot button topic everywhere. Problem is I haven’t seen any real data from either side to back up their point of view. Someone posted that the tax savings are a little over 1 billion. If true that is quantifiable and not an insignificant amount of money. Add that to the headcount number they seem to want to achieve. In their world travel back and forth is on you. It becomes their issue when and if someone decides to coffee badge all day. Basically have put the ball completely in their court.
Fortunately the coming terminations for failure to RTO will resolve many of your current issues. What are your plans for after your termination?
RTO to here?
https://x.com/StealthQE4/status/1848264180484223008
People who say 5 day RTO is good because “it’s the way we did it before” are the same people who still have landlines and shunned mobile devices.
People advocating for horse and buggy after the model-T.
Dinosaurs who can’t adapt or imagine a future without tons of wasted energy and time commuting daily for no real benefit.
"Man up"
Clarification for the rest of us. Does anyone here complaining about RTO have a contract that says you will never have to work from a location you do not want to work from?
The beatings will continue until enough people voluntarily leave.
How about instead ATT becomes a leader instead of a follower and cancels the RTO bull.
The groupthink around the ‘get back to the office’ crowd is the same genius approach as all the worship of Neutron Jack Welch back in the day.
His approach has been thoroughly discredited thanks to the debacles many of followers oversaw. This will be the same thing
Are all of you recent hires since the beginning of Covid? I don't understand the resistance to working where you are paid to work.
"It's adult time"
Applies to most of the comments on this forum.
Man up.
'And spare me the “or get out” nonsense. RTO is industry wide. And the market is sh-t. It’s not easy for people to just “get out.”'
Guess you'll have to choose whether to work or not. It's adult time.
“ Like it or not, 5 day RTO makes sense. Fall in line or just get out. Nobody wants your lazy rear at AT&T.”
So because I don’t want to spend 3 and a half hours in the car per day when I could spend that time with my family, and I want a quiet workspace while I’m on calls, I am lazy. Got it.
And spare me the “or get out” nonsense. RTO is industry wide. And the market is sh-t. It’s not easy for people to just “get out.” How about instead ATT becomes a leader instead of a follower and cancels the RTO bull. Obviously not going to happen but you’ve got to stop classifying the vast majority of employees as lazy just because you have no social life outside of work and you hate your family.
"Our Director believes an early round in 2025 will be those who continue to oppose returning to their local office"
My manager told us to be prepared to rethink what it means to be a professional in the coming year. Said he could not elaborate, just that we should give it some thought. Something new coming?
Like it or not, 5 day RTO makes sense. Fall in line or just get out. Nobody wants your lazy rear at AT&T.
Why can’t people understand WFH was a failed experiment.
Ok geniuses so provide numbers, data,’reporting that demonstrates how sitting on teams calls from a glass box surrounded by other people on their own teams calls helps the business. The companies forcing this have no data backing them up. Just insecure control freak leaders. Remote work has also been a huge failure for NVIDIA that’s for sure.
Provide data on how taking away choice and flexibility improves productivity and engagement. If that’s the case then why haven’t we eliminated unlimited your way? If getting rid of flexibility is so good for workers, it must be good for customers. Stankey is also so gung ho about attracting younger workers, well we all know Gen Z loves nothing more than to be forced to do something without any real justification.
We have an entire microsite dedicated to sustainability. Tell me how adding thousands of cars a day to the roads helps with that effort.
Our ‘purpose’ is to connect people when they can’t be together. I guess we don’t really believe in our own products and services.
Look, bottom line on this whole thing is that layers of lies surrounding the company messaging on this would be laughable if they didn’t have such a negative impact on so many. Looking at some of the posts here though sure seems like we have a lot of employees who are as lacking in their critical thinking skills as our ‘leaders’.
Our Director believes an early round in 2025 will be those who continue to oppose returning to their local office. He wants everyone to read the writing on the wall and lose the negative attitude before we return from the holidays. One comment he made was to give some thought as to how surplus selections were made, and then he repeated it a few minutes later before asking if he needed to say it a third time. He closed with be smart, don't put me in the position of having to submit your name as someone I can afford to lose.
If 5 day a week becomes mandatory where is everyone going to sit? There is no open desk space for everyone as it is. Just wondering.
We've lost 5 from our team over these past 5 years. We are more productive, and necessary interactions are more fluid. 2 of them make a pitiful effort at pulling their weight, and likely only do so in an effort to avoid the spotlight. They are accustomed to getting a paycheck without doing any work because "the world owes them". The rest of us feel relieved on the days they are out. Hopefully both of them are on the short list.
I like the RTO five days. Just like it used to be. It was only changed because of the C Virus. Why the complaining?
5 day RTO slides have been approved. January 6th, 2025. Exceptions for medical conditions, but that will be till February 2025 and then anyone who will be non compliant will be let go.
Like it or not, 5 day RTO makes sense. Fall in line or just get out. Nobody wants your lazy rear at AT&T.
Was told today 5 days in the office starting 1/25 so its not going away it is getting worse
It’s not going away LOL stop dreaming. It’s going to get worse. Haven’t you been paying attention?!
Any National indicators will be switching back to virtual in the next 3 months. Leadership realizes many in these National roles are not colocated with other team members. Will justify closing of many offices outside of “hubs”.
It makes sense if you are a national co-located team with your peers around you; otherwise, I’m just driving in to sit at a desk and be on teams calls all day. My team is spread out across the country and we are considered regional.
Those employees pushing back against the RTO have lessened the randomness of ongoing surplus activities. Better you than a contributing employee. Keep up the good fight!!
The tax money saved based on RTO totals only $1.1B for the whole company. Less than 1% of annual revenue. That has nothing to do with it.
The only part of RTO remaining is the whining, and that will end after another 25,000 are given their freedom to complain elsewhere.
Amazon, Microsoft, Tesla and Apple are doing it. Why can’t people understand WFH was a failed experiment.
Time to RTO and actually work.
There's too much tax money on the table from municipalities. We're going back to 5 days a week next year.
Until enough people have left the company in one way or another. They know that we know that they don’t care if it makes sense or not. Anyone who enforces RTO in 2024 is a clown and I hope karma is a bi--h.
Not before the Stank is gone.