I've been doing 5 days in the office for about 10 months. These 5 days were not mandated, and I do take advantage of WFH when I need to. I wasn't thrilled with returning, but for me it wasn't a huge deal. I live roughly 5 minutes away from my office. I see both Pros and Cons, but I disagree with the way the company is dragging this out. The angst being created in doing so is unnecessary, and will take years to recover from.
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There is no angst. People make choices. Choices have consequences.
Collaboration? Yeah, we discuss the reality of being surplussed on a whim.
Anyone can sit in a seat for 8 hours and be a plant and type, type, type for those keystrokes but are they productive? Productive people can work anywhere and produce and an ethical person with good work ethics will work from anywhere and put in the dedication and time to do a good job. However, bad morale and frustration, angst etc. breeds bad character. Bad morale spreads like a virus.
"I have over 1000 pull requests merged into our production code-bases that total tens of thousands of lines of code"
Hey old timer, LOC hasn't been a metric in a long time. Sounds like some major spaghetti code. Start refactoring and add competent code reviewers on those PR's.
DEI rules.
It sure shows in management L3 and above.
Totally unqualified and d-mb people.
"The angst being created in doing so is unnecessary, and will take years to recover from."
Yep. It's gonna leave a scar rather than a bruise. They worry about churn with cell phone customers, but not the employee base. The cost of losing the experience of a knowledgeable employee, and getting a replacement worker up to the same level of knowledge must be enormous.
That’s crazy you say that, cause I run through the halls of the office like a raving lunatic, screaming about RTO and forced relocation, ranting about how much I hate Stankey.
I’m amazed they haven’t fired me yet.
Obviously I’m being sarcastic, but the point I’m trying to make it what people say is private is a lot different than what people say in the office.
If you actually make friends with people and the confide in you, you’ll learn quickly how most people are very unhappy here…no one I’ve talked to on this subject is happy about it or think it’s a good idea - and that includes people up to L4.
Maybe you also work in a non-technical org full of drones like HR - some “types” of people are going to be more amicable to just follow bullsh-t directives. Some people are followers, and humans tend to self-select career from personality type.
There aren’t assertive free thinkers in HR.
I see these negative comments here about doing as little as possible, but I've never seen it in the office. Obviously I haven't been through the entire building and I don't have a clue about the work they are doing, but you can tell when people are involved in some sort of endeavor and not staring out the window while waiting to leave. I see purpose minded people. I also have coworkers in other locations. The topic of quiet quitting came up and none of my coworkers are seeing it either. I'll sometimes hear a comment about the commute being bad on a particular day, but nothing unprofessional. No one in the break areas or roaming the hallways cursing the company. The commentors on this forum give the impression they are part of a growing collective. Of the 140k or so employees, I think there are fewer of you than you imagine, and there will be even fewer by next summer. It becomes clearer week by week most here may not be well suited to work in any professional environment. You may find you are better suited to an environment where you can scribble comments about your discontentment on the walls of one of the Porta potties on your job site. Give it a think.
Agree. It is more hectic than it needs to be.
"Why all the negative feedback? I'm not seeing anything wrong about it"
They don't bother to read
"I've been doing 5 days in the office for about 10 months. These 5 days were not mandated, and I do take advantage of WFH when I need to. I wasn't thrilled with returning, but for me it wasn't a huge deal. I live roughly 5 minutes away from my office. I see both Pros and Cons, but I disagree with the way the company is dragging this out. The angst being created in doing so is unnecessary, and will take years to recover from."
I must not be seeing what the rest of the commentors are seeing. OP is not happy with RTO. Acknowledges they live closer to the office than most. Thinks the policy is poorly implemented and will impact the work culture for years. Why all the negative feedback? I'm not seeing anything wrong about it.
The world revolves around you? 5 min commute? do you think that is a FLEX? My job requires me to work disaster recovery all over US which requires long hours nights and weekends that is why we are exempt and we were able to work remote because of the demands of the job description, if I am needed from 6pm through midnight, you'd make me drive to an office? what about weekend? go to the office? Before the pandemic, we've always been hybrid, coming in 1-2x a week to the office. If they want me 5 days a week to the office, then that's where the work is going to be done. No weekends, no nights.
My office is less then 5 minuets from home and I hate going there even more. I go to the office to sit on teams calls, the phone and emails all day. (I cover stuff from other states)
I can do this from my house, like I have for years.
I got you beat, I have a 30 second commute from my bed to the laptop.
“People don’t want to pay higher taxes therefore higher taxes are needed, their just selfish and poor”
“People don’t want to have to starve to death therefore we need to institute communism style food controls, show them how good they have it with their burgers”
“People don’t like inflation therefore inflation is good and we need more of it to toughen up the consumer base”
“I’m 90 years old and a dinosaur and I walked uphill both ways so I know better than everyone and if it was sh---y for me it best be sh---y for you too cause I have like 6 months left til everyone on earth forgets I even existed and I’m mad 😡 “
“I never believed in RRO until reading the continued whining and ranting on this board. I see now that RTO is needed.”
“People don’t want to RTO therefore RTO is needed”
Is literally what you just said.
By that same line of logic you could justify anything.
“People don’t want to put their ba--s in a vice therefore I dictate everyone wear te-----e vices”
Do you see how re--rded and boomerish you sound?
I never believed in RRO until reading the continued whining and ranting on this board. I see now that RTO is needed.
Waiting for the “bullsh-t you didn’t write that much code or contribute that much” follow up post which basically means:
“This doesn’t fit my internal narrative therefore I refuse to believe it’s true”
“I wasn’t a fan of how RTO was rolled out, though it has exposed a lot of badge and leave, whiny build my drive into my workday productivity posers. Can’t wait to see more of them leave, and if not watch them continue to crumble. They’re like protestors that stand on the highway opposing oil. Oil is going to happen and so is you being in the office for 8 hours like you get paid.”
I have over 1000 pull requests merged into our production code-bases that total tens of thousands of lines of code on projects that are projected to save the company ~$20 million dollars a year and I did it all from home and feel this way about RTO.
Am I one of these posers you speak of?
I wasn’t a fan of how RTO was rolled out, though it has exposed a lot of badge and leave, whiny build my drive into my workday productivity posers. Can’t wait to see more of them leave, and if not watch them continue to crumble. They’re like protestors that stand on the highway opposing oil. Oil is going to happen and so is you being in the office for 8 hours like you get paid.
Glad for you that you have a 5min commute.
Most people I know have a commute including myself anywhere from 1-3 hours (one way).
If they go 5x per week, we should demand to have assigned desks. No more of this try to find a spot business. 5 min commute? You living in the basement? Takes me 1:10 each way. Definitely seen it impact the budget a bit with gas and vehicle maintenance. Pre covid I was FTW, idk seems to me maybe they should have implemented the pre covid assignments again.
I bet the OP would live in the office if asked.
5 min commute?
I’m sure those of us that are traveling over an hour can really relate to how easy it is for you.
We got a real office hero here folks. Yeah I guess it wouldn’t be so bad with a 5 min commute lol.
Years to recover? Sheesh. Watching you people cope with RTO may be the most pathetic things I've seen in my time with the company.
The company has spent years putting into place a management team who were selected based not on their skills, but because of their Race, Gender, Orientation, etc. The people who should be pushing back won't bite the hand that fed them. They got their's, so FU. This is Inclusion, embrace it.
It does seem to be poorly thought out and without any effort to mitigate the damage.